antihero

hahahahhaa, thats not a bad idea. especially considering im hurtin for money right now and cant get a job to save my life

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PROD1GY

This supplement is such bullshit. Its probably 4g Beta-Alanine(clearly), 200mg NAC and 2mg ALA(providing 1mg R-ALA).
Wow, great job, even greater pricetag. You couldnt even hit the 6.2g limit. Nice going. Talk about innovation...............................
atleast be nice and replace the NAC with Histidine..... wow..

iSatori H+Blocker for the win :sarcasm:

Solarize

Have you used beta-alanine before at doses between 3.2 and 6.4g?

PROD1GY

Yes, as high as 6g.
It is DECENT, especially for its price. However, this carnosine stuff takes too long to kick in and is a short term effect because once you lay off it, you wont be able to perform as well, bringing you back to base 1. This is why I dont use creatine or any of that stuff. While cutting, I gained .5 inches on my arms in a month on CEE(6g as well), with a shitty diet and then shrunk again. Even if it does help the gains, its not much good, I'd rather invest it into something else, perhaps whey, digestive enzymes and ecdy or a natural anabolic.

Another thing is... your charging so much for heavily underdosed NAC/ALA, and just some old beta-alanine. No innovation, overpriced, and deceptive.

Also, you guys are horrible marketer's. Why did you mention doses go as high as 6g, if you are going to say things like that, atleast make a bottle 45 servings, allowing a 6 week run OR the higher dosed variation. And I am sure you could still make giant profits, as you do now.

A kilo of Beta-Alanine is $22 from China, I have connections that are good quality, so this bottle probably costs about $5-7 to make. You probably sell it to retailers for ATLEAST 3 times more. Not attacking your practices, everyone needs to make money, but this is the biggets bullshit I've seen.

Edit: What was your edit for
I see this bullshit for $30 in the BBcom thread. I am guessing you sell it to bb.com well over $20 bucks, nice

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I noticed you asked why we make easily crackable blends, obviously we have our reasons for doing this, make no mistake, there isn't a single aspect of either of our products that was not very well thought out.

We just don't follow the mold like most other company's that use blends do, which is to run a large blend giving you no idea how much your getting of anything.

We want people to know, especially with the ingredients that have exact known dose ranges like BA, just how much they are getting as it is too important from a research standpoint not to list the exact amounts. We also list the amount of caffeine which many products using it in blends do not, for obvious reasons.


Again, while we want people to know how well dosed our products are and that we are not hiding that fact,we just don't want them to know the exact doses on all the ingredients in either of our products. There is NO way for someone to look at the other ingredients in the blends and no exactly how much of each they are getting, which protects us from being copied by competitors. You can guess the doses and I'm sure you can guess very closely,which is what we wanted, but you will not know the exact doses for sure

Blap Blaow

Cool- thanks for the detailed reply. It's a unique approach, but it's really the best of both worlds

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Exactly our thoughts!

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Yes, we base our formula's, and write-ups right from the most cutting edge Beta-Alanine research and the data shows it takes 7-10 days for performance benefits to start taking effect from the build up of intracellular CARN levels.

The second part of the statement from our write- up, say BA supplementation continues to increase CARN levels atleast up to 10 weeks which is why we recommend people to go on IntraXCell for ATLEAST 3 months, (this is not some baseless marketing ploy). Though there is no reason to cycle off it, the research does show you can keep on getting better performance benefits all the way up to 10 weeks and maybe longer. Once more research involving longer studies takes place and it shows CARN levels continue to increase even past 3 months our recommendations will change

LOL at your working within your first dose comment, so true and often very misleading, especially when Beta-Alanine is involved.

If people think they are going to get performance increases from IntraXCell or any CARN boosting product, they are going to be VERY disappointed as that's not the way they work. If you are patient and stay on BA for atleast a week or two you will start getting in my opinion the most effective performance boost beyond any other current supplement, potentially more so than even creatine..though more research is needed.

You will get immediate effects from IntraXCell though (Vasodilatation, prickling ect) but you have to be a little more patient for the performance benefits to start to kick in.

Q: How long will it take for me to start noticing benefits?


Performance benefits typically start occurring in as little as two weeks, although some individuals will notice benefits within one week. As carnosine levels continue to increase, so will the benefits. The most dramatic results are generally experienced within the 3-4 week range, but they don’t stop there. Recent research is now showing carnosine levels continue to increase up to atleast 10 weeks, so the benefits just keep on getting better which is why we recommend to continuously stay on IntraXCell for atleast 3 months to optimize your carnosine levels.

Immediate benefits: Many users experience intense vasodilatation/pumps from the very first time they take their first does of IntraXCell. The reason this occurs is because Beta-Alanine increases carnosine and carnosine is a powerful precursor in generating nitric oxide synthase (NOS). NOS are a group of enzymes necessary for making the powerful vasodilator nitric oxide. Take IntraXCell with SteelEdge prior to exercise and let us know your experience. We are confident that you will be very pleased pumps/vasodilatation from your very first workout.

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Hello posters and lurkers, I wanted to explain something that I have been asked repeatedly via email/PM and have seen the answer incorrectly stated on some of the various forums. I took my post from another forum, so if you have already read this, just skip it as there is nothing new from my original post.


The question is, does BA have synergy with creatine?


While it may seem probable for a variety of reasons why BA and Creatine would have synergy and maybe future research will show they do. As of now though, the performance studies show they do NOT have synergy/additive effects.

I'm going to explain what the research support and at the same time show you why creatine regardless of synergy seems like a good supplement to stack with IntraXCell/BA from a strength/power standpoint.

The performance studies that use BA,creatine or BA+C, have basically shown that when BA is taken with C, they are better together than either alone. This leads people to believe there is synergy between the two, but it's not that simple, nor is it accurate to say this.

While it is true the two taken together on MOST performance tests are going to be more effective than either one taken alone,but the research does not support a synergistic/additive effect when they are taken together.

For example, BA increases performance to a certain level, I'll just throw out 20% as an arbitrary number and Creatine increases performance by 15% on its own, also arbitrary. When they are taken together their respective performance improves to the same degree as each one does when taken alone, giving us a 35% increase.

If they were shown to work synergistically/additive when combined, their overall performance increase would be greater than 35%. So far the performance research is not showing this to be case and study after study is stating NO synergistic/additive affect between the two.

Creatine does work within a limited pH range, so you would think BA by buffering pH would optimize creatine, but this has not paned out in the research as of yet.


Regardless of synergy, they do work differently and still compliment eachother very well.



Hope that answers some of the questions.


On a side note, once I started taking BA/IntraXCell, I lost any desire to cycle back on creatine. Early on when I first started using BA, I certainly did combine it with creatine for a while, so I know the effects of the two together well. But after a while I fazed out the creatine and don't see myself going back on it for a long time as I greatly prefer the benefits of IntraXCell/BA.

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nkwulf

http://www.ironmass.com/showthread.p...d=1#post199406


there are some reviews of IXL at the end of the topic.

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Hello IronMass community, we have many Beta-Alanine/IntraXCell threads on the various forums and while we have compiled a large array of information, it's somewhat scattered. For everyone's convenience, we are going to post summaries of many of these topics previously discussed in our threads.

This thread will be a place where anyone can come to learn more about how Beta-Alanine works and the science behind it. This thread, is open to any discussion related to Beta-Alanine and we are always happy to try our best to answer any related questions. When ever you see the question highlighted in red at the top of the post,the following post will be a summarized topic.

So lets start with the basics and see where this goes. :cheers:





Benefits of Beta-Alanine as supported by Scientific Studies

Increases:
Lean body mass (LBM)
Total work done (TWD)
Power output (PO)
Time to exhaustion (TTE)
Aerobic endurance
Intramuscular carnosine concentrations, increasing buffering capacity


Delays:
The onset of fatigue at physical working capacity/fatigue threshold (PWCft)
Ventilary threshold (VT)
Lactate threshold (LT)


History of Beta-Alanine

Although only recently brought to the forefront, Beta Alanine was discovered over 100 years ago. Also known as 3-aminopropanoic acid, it is a non-essential amino acid and is the only naturally occurring beta-amino acid. Not to be confused with L- Alanine, Beta- Alanine is classified as a non-proteinogenic amino acid as it is not used in the building of proteins and enzymes.

The greatest natural dietary sources of Beta-Alanine are believed to be obtained through ingesting the beta-alanine containing dipeptides: carnosine, anserine and balenine, rather than directly ingesting Beta-Alanine. These dipeptides are commonly found in protein rich foods such as chicken, beef, pork and fish. However, obtaining Beta-Alanine through these dipeptides is not the only way, as our bodies can synthesize it in the liver from the catabolism of pyrimidine nucleotides which are broken down into uracil and thymine and then metabolized into Beta-Alanine and B-aminoisobutyrate. Of course, it can also be ingested through direct supplementation.

Recently (2003), researchers began studying Beta-Alanine and examining its effects on exercise performance and lean muscle mass. We owe a great deal of credit and respect to the scientists who are in the trenches doing the work and publishing the research on Beta-Alanine. If it wasn’t for them, great supplements like Beta-Alanine and creatine might never have seen the light of day. Their ongoing research has revealed how to properly use these compounds and how to safely and effectively maximize their benefits.

One of the key scientists pioneering the performance research on Beta-Alanine is Dr. Roger Harris. His name may or may not sound familiar, but it should, as he is the same man that changed sports nutrition with his groundbreaking creatine study in 1992. It looks like the good doctor has found another juggernaut of a supplement in Beta-Alanine.

However, he is not alone. In the last two years, highly respected research scientist Dr.Jeffrey Stout has been in a frenzy publishing and compiling research on Beta-Alanine and doesn’t look to be slowing down any time soon. Other notable researchers who have been publishing research on Beta-Alanine include: Dr. Hill, Dr. Kim and Dr. Tallon.

How Does Beta-Alanine Work?

The support of high caliber researchers speaks volumes about the efficacy of Beta-Alanine and the science itself is even more impressive

Much of Beta-Alanine’s effects are realized by boosting the synthesis of carnosine, a dipeptide (two amino acids) intracellular (inside the cell) buffer. To understand how Beta-Alanine works, you must first understand its connection to carnosine. It is by boosting carnosine levels that Beta-Alanine exerts its outstanding performance benefits.

History and Background of Carnosine

The Russian scientist Gulewitsch was the first to identify carnosine in 1900. Eleven years later, he would discover and identify its constituent amino acids, beta-alanine and histidine. Seven years later, Barger and Tutin and Baumann and Ingvaldsen confirmed Gulewitsch’s findings. However, it wasn’t until 1938 that the first research on carnosine and its effects on muscle buffering were published.

Carnosine is found in both type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers, though in significantly higher concentrations in type 2 fibers (the fibers we primarily use in high intensity strength workouts and which are most responsive to growth). Before we discuss how carnosine works, you must first have a general understanding of what is physiologically occurring during exercise. Specifically, what is negatively affecting muscular pH, making us weaker and causing fatigue?

Hydrogen ions are released during exercise, causing performance to plummet.

When we exercise, especially when it’s high intensity exercise, our bodies accumulate a large amount of hydrogen ions (H+), causing our muscles’ pH to drop (become more acidic). This process is occurring whether you feel a burn or not.

The breakdown of ATP and the subsequent rise in H+ concentrations occur in all of our energy systems but H+ buildup is most prevalent in an energy system called glycolysis, which also produces lactic acid. At physiological pH, lactic acid dissociates H+ and is the primary source of released H+ ions during exercise, causing pH to drop. It is the released H+ from lactic acid that causes muscular performance problems, not the leftover lactate ions as many incorrectly believe. While lactic acid is the primary source of released H+, it is not the only source. H+ ions are also being released at a rapid rate when you break down the high energy compound ATP during exercise. With the presence of many sources during energy production releasing H+, pH quickly drops as does muscular performance, slowing progress and lean muscle gains.

While muscle acidity has certainly proven to decrease strength and contribute to muscular fatigue, new research is now showing that exercise-induced intracellular free radical production is another source of muscular fatigue. The combination of muscular acidity and increased free radical production greatly diminishes your performance during exercise, stopping your workouts cold and interfering with lean muscle gains.

Much more to come....

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How Does Carnosine Work?

There are a handful of ways carnosine is thought to impact performance but its most studied function, and the focus of this article, is its role as an intracellular buffer. Carnosine helps stabilize muscular pH by soaking up hydrogen ions (H+) that are released at an accelerated rate during exercise.

Our bodies work to keep our pH in balance by utilizing various buffering systems. Buffers largely work by soaking up H+ to maintain optimal pH balance, which we need to function most effectively. As mentioned above, our muscles function best in a specific pH range. When pH drops below that range, so does muscular performance. By helping to keep us in a more optimal pH range, our muscles can continue to contract forcibly for a longer time.

There are a handful of buffering systems that work in our bodies. Some maintain pH in extra cellular fluids (ECF) outside of the cell, while others perform their duties in intracellular fluids (ICF) inside the cell and some perform in both. Our focus in this article is on exercise performance and, as mentioned above, the primary source of H+ released during exercise is from lactic acid and ATP breakdown. Take a guess where this breakdown and release of H+ is occurring? If you guessed inside our muscles or intracellular, you would be correct. As a result, the first line of defense in absorbing the H+ is going to be the cell from intracellular buffers such as carnosine, not from extra cellular buffers.

Aside from carnosine being just where we need it, buffering H+ inside our cells, it has additional, unique attributes that make it really shine. Carnosine is unique; in that, other natural buffering systems our bodies use are also used in many other cellular reactions aside from buffering, watering down much of their buffering abilities. However, what makes carnosine really exciting, is that by supplementing with extra Beta-Alanine, we can specifically and dramatically increase carnosine levels. How much, you ask?

Researchers have shown that when supplementing with Beta-Alanine for just 4 weeks, we can increase our carnosine concentration by 42-65%. Longer Beta-Alanine studies going up to 10-12 weeks, show carnosine concentrations increased up to 80%. This is a tremendous increase in an already powerful intracellular buffer. It is this large increase in buffering capacity within our muscles that is largely responsible for the strength, lean muscle, power and muscular endurance gains that researchers are seeing from Beta-Alanine studies.

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Is Beta-Alanine safe?

While this is not a frequently asked question, it should be. We understand many people care most about gaining muscle, looking great and performing at their best but safety should not be overlooked. We believe it should actually be the first question asked when considering a new supplement, even before you question efficacy.

The answer to the safety question is a resounding YES. Studies, going up to 12 weeks of continued Beta-Alanine use, have looked at a large array of blood biochemical, hematological and hormonal markers and no negative changes have occurred whatsoever. While it is impossible to say Beta-Alanine is one hundred percent safe until longer term studies are complete, we do know that up to 12 weeks of continued Beta-Alanine supplementation is indeed safe.

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Why not just take Carnosine instead of Beta-Alanine?



When you ingest carnosine intact, most of it is broken down in the gastrointestinal (GI) tract into its constituent amino acids, beta-alanine and histidine. Some intact carnosine does escape the GI tract freely but even that amount is quickly broken down in our blood by the enzyme carnosinase. In a very short time, all the carnosine you just ingested is either eliminated or broken down into beta-alanine and histidine. These two amino acids are then taken into the muscle, where they are converted back into carnosine with the help of the enzyme carnosine synthetase.

Unfortunately, only about 40% of the carnosine you take actually contains beta-alanine, making it an inefficient source at best. You are better off, from both efficiency and a financial standpoint, taking Beta-Alanine directly. You would have to take substantially more carnosine just to approach the increased concentrations of carnosine achieved by taking the scientifically recommended dose of Beta-Alanine. Clearly, taking Beta-Alanine is the superior solution to increasing carnosine levels.

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How do we know Beta-Alanine is actually increasing carnosine levels?

Researchers have proven it by actually taking muscle biopsies (using a hollow needle to remove a small sample of muscle tissue) prior to the study and at various time points throughout the study. What they found is that Beta-Alanine does, in fact, effectively and significantly increase carnosine concentrations in the range of 42-80%, depending on the dosing and duration of the study.

dtrain13

Seb you got to get the new avy up....

GameDayDog

I'll scream out... - I LOVE THYS STUFF!!!!

I just started my second bottle... In order to be timely with my supps, I don't take it ryght before my workout... but at midnyght, (because I work at nyght) ... So my fyrst group of supplements - Everythyng I'm supposed to take when I wake up, is consumed at 4 pm ... (waking up to go to work)

The second group is taken at Midnyght.. ( I never know exactly when I'm going to get off work... I'm a truck driver, so I work until my assignments are finished.)

After work tho, I hit the gym... and take my post workout/bedtime supplements ... usually around 8 or 9 am ...

I never experienced the tingling because two of the meals I take with the supps have a lot of carbs (rice) ... but I because I time my rest periods, I've reduced my waiting time between sets from 2:00 - 2:30 ... to 1:15 - 1:45 ... (minutes) ... without any decreases in reps... and at the end of my routine, I'm looking around the gym to see if their are any other exercises I can perform... until I convince myself - "Man, take ya a$$ home.."

Now, I did get a free supplement review guide from this place onlyne ... and I found that they do sell Beta Alanine for $13.95 - for 200 grams...

I would attempt to workout the math to see which is the better deal.. but honestly, I'm just gonna keep using IntraXCell and lyfting heavy ass weights.

Hey.. I'm curious.. if I got blood work done, would they be able to tell the beta alanine levels in my system??

Peace..~G

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