Anything to help "push me" over the edge?

Hybrid · 04-27-2006, 10:00 PM

I think I've got my diet down, and my training is good (on spytech's HSHT).

I've always been a big disbelieve of supps (their effieciency)... I've always stuck to creatine + whey + mult + green tea. I recently picked up some Xtend to help speed recovery and hopefully add more LMM..... Now I'm looking for something else.

I'm looking for something (other than creatine mono, which doesn't seem to be working very well atm) that will help push my strength or hypertrophy up a little. I know, I know, I'm 17 so I'm "raging with hormones" and should stick to the basics. But I really don't have raging hormones. Infact I dun really care if I get laid or not.... Odd for a teenager, eh? Shit, it's odd for anyone... I'm going to get my test levels tested soon... I have a feeling they may be low...

Neways, can you guys think of anything? I no longer care what it tastes like, if it makes me blow chunks (out either end) or anything. As long as it helps my in the gym. If any1 has suggestions, please offer them up

. Thanks, and money is not a huge problem (but I obviuosly don't want to buy something ridiculous like Cell-Tech - just an example of high priced, wouldn't pick it up!)

**Grunt76** · 04-27-2006, 10:21 PM

Antioxydants.

comfortable_pants · 04-28-2006, 03:51 AM

bulking? cutting? recomping?

Hybrid · 04-28-2006, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comfortable_pants

bulking? cutting? recomping?

Bulking.

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Originally Posted by Grunt76

Antioxydants.

These would help me utilize more weight? I take my Lean Green post workout.

**Grunt76** · 04-28-2006, 12:46 PM

Antioxydants are extremely helpful and often overlooked by resistance athletes. Your antioxydant levels should reach their peak at the beginning of the workout for greater efficiency.

What happens is that a LOT of free radicals are generated by violent resistance training. You train hard don't you? Well that creates free radicals, molecules that damage your cells from within. Brain cells, nerve cells, muscle cells all get hit pretty hard. If your protein and calorie and training are all good, antioxydants are the next thing to look at. Upping antioxydants allows you to sustain only the type of damage that induces growth and not the other kinds of damage that are simply tissue wasting. Your anabolic ability is set and the amount of work you must do to regenerate other-than-contractile-protein damage is taken right out of your ability for exercise recovery. The effect is somewhat subtle but over a few weeks you should note that you are growing quicker and feel generally better.

Total anabolism - other repairs = what's left for muscle growth

Where "other repairs" is the peroxydation of tissue by free radicals. Antioxydants scavenge the free radicals before they have the chance to make any damage, reducing the "other repairs" part of the equation, leaving more of your total anabolic drive to work on what you want: muscle growth. Of course the actual equation is much much more complicated than that, but I find that this is a way to explain it OK without going insane with the details...

What I like, in order of importance:

Preworkout:
2g vitamin C

General-purpose:
800IU vitamin E (400 on non-training days)
1g-2g vitamin C
100mcg selenium
r-ALA
15,000-25,000 beta carotene
Grape seed extract (pycnogenol)

All of these stacked together would be pretty great. customnutritionwarehouse has a few of the more expensive of these at very attractive prices. I know, I just ordered me a bunch of grape seed extract at about 1/20th the health food store price... Thanks Matt

Lift · 04-28-2006, 01:26 PM

^^Thats a great post! Awesome info, many thanks

**bubba g** · 04-28-2006, 01:48 PM

eat two chicken breasts a day in addition to your current diet.... You will make better gains than with any supplement out there that you should take...

try CEE if the monohydrate isn't working....

**madman911** · 04-28-2006, 02:12 PM

Great post by Grunt on the antioxidants.

Hybrid, you say that you "think" you have your diet down. Are you gaining weight? If you are not, then you simply need more calories. Caloric intake is key. The basic principle of bulking is really simple: eat enough calories to be consistently gaining about a pound a week. That means about a 500 calorie surplus daily. If you aren't gaining weight at that rate, up your calories. Count calories, it is absolutely necessary for most people in order to train efficiently. You need to know exactly how many cals you are eating on a daily basis; how much protein; how much carbs; how much fat. If you are eating enough to see weight gains on a weekly basis and training hard (if you're using spytech's program, you are definitely training hard) then you will increase your LBM. You will likely put on some fat too, but that's the way it goes. If you want to make an omlette, you have to break a few eggs, as they say.

If I ask you how many calories you're taking in on a daily basis, can you answer that question? Not guesstimate, but know?

Caloric intake is the key here, not supplementation.

Hybrid · 04-28-2006, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madman911

Great post by Grunt on the antioxidants.

Hybrid, you say that you "think" you have your diet down. Are you gaining weight? If you are not, then you simply need more calories. Caloric intake is key. The basic principle of bulking is really simple: eat enough calories to be consistently gaining about a pound a week. That means about a 500 calorie surplus daily. If you aren't gaining weight at that rate, up your calories. Count calories, it is absolutely necessary for most people in order to train efficiently. You need to know exactly how many cals you are eating on a daily basis; how much protein; how much carbs; how much fat. If you are eating enough to see weight gains on a weekly basis and training hard (if you're using spytech's program, you are definitely training hard) then you will increase your LBM. You will likely put on some fat too, but that's the way it goes. If you want to make an omlette, you have to break a few eggs, as they say.

If I ask you how many calories you're taking in on a daily basis, can you answer that question? Not guesstimate, but know?

Caloric intake is the key here, not supplementation.

~4300. I am gaining weight, but my body is super smart. I'll go up 3lbs one week, 0 the next.... I have no problem gaining weight, just lookin for that kick in the ass! Here's my diet....

Meal 1:
1 cup oatmeal
2 scoops Champion 100% Whey
1 banana
Lean Green Green Tea
Meal 2:
2 turkey sandwhiches on 100% whole wheat bread (thick sliced - 180 cals each) (1/2lb meat total)
Meal 3:
2 scoops Champion 100% Whey
3 tbsp Olive Oil
Meal 4: (PRE-WORKOUT)
1 cup (dry) brown rice
2 5oz chicken breasts
Post Workout:
2 scoop Champion 100% Whey
60g Dextrose
Lean Green Green Tea
Meal 5: (Post-Post Workout)
10oz Lean Meat
1 cup (dry) brown rice
As much veggies as I can stuff
Meal 6:
1 scoop Champion 100% Whey
2 scoops Calcium Casienate

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Originally Posted by bubba_g

eat two chicken breasts a day in addition to your current diet.... You will make better gains than with any supplement out there that you should take...

try CEE if the monohydrate isn't working....

Chicken breasts? I'm tired of those!!! Hahah, just kidding. I've considered more food, but I haven't plateauted with my weight yet. And the fix to that is easy, more food. I've tried CEE and Kre-Alkalyn, and neither of them did much at all. Hoped mono would do soemthing (been spiking insulin levels with dextrose) but so far I haven't noticed much... perhaps a bit of retention.

I've been considering No-Xplode (as I tried it before and really loved it, aside from the fact that I had super diarreha, but who cares)... Or perhaps Man Clout or Body Octane... I know gaining muscle/strength is 80% diet 17% training (IMO) I'm just lookin for that 3%. Something to fire me up for the gym (more than usual), increase focus, and increase strength (even if by a little) would be freaking sweet.

May also try more Anti-Oxidants.

**bubba g** · 04-28-2006, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hybrid

~4300. I am gaining weight, but my body is super smart. I'll go up 3lbs one week, 0 the next.... I have no problem gaining weight, just lookin for that kick in the ass! Here's my diet....

Meal 1:
1 cup oatmeal
2 scoops Champion 100% Whey
1 banana
Lean Green Green Tea
Meal 2:
2 turkey sandwhiches on 100% whole wheat bread (thick sliced - 180 cals each) (1/2lb meat total)
Meal 3:
2 scoops Champion 100% Whey
3 tbsp Olive Oil
Meal 4: (PRE-WORKOUT)
1 cup (dry) brown rice
2 5oz chicken breasts
Post Workout:
2 scoop Champion 100% Whey
60g Dextrose
Lean Green Green Tea
Meal 5: (Post-Post Workout)
10oz Lean Meat
1 cup (dry) brown rice
As much veggies as I can stuff
Meal 6:
1 scoop Champion 100% Whey
2 scoops Calcium Casienate

Chicken breasts? I'm tired of those!!! Hahah, just kidding. I've considered more food, but I haven't plateauted with my weight yet. And the fix to that is easy, more food. I've tried CEE and Kre-Alkalyn, and neither of them did much at all. Hoped mono would do soemthing (been spiking insulin levels with dextrose) but so far I haven't noticed much... perhaps a bit of retention.

I've been considering No-Xplode (as I tried it before and really loved it, aside from the fact that I had super diarreha, but who cares)... Or perhaps Man Clout or Body Octane... I know gaining muscle/strength is 80% diet 17% training (IMO) I'm just lookin for that 3%. Something to fire me up for the gym (more than usual), increase focus, and increase strength (even if by a little) would be freaking sweet.

May also try more Anti-Oxidants.

Drink a huge coffee.. before working out then...lol

Hybrid · 04-29-2006, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubba g

Drink a huge coffee.. before working out then...lol

Stims don't seem to be working well. Probably bcuz I drink 1 diet mt.dew a aday? I don't know... I thought about ordering some caffenie tabs, but don't want to get a dependance..... I take 3 Stim-X's before going to the gym and feel no increase.... but for whatever reason No-Xplode (which is basically NO + caffenie + like 1g creatine from what I understand) at 3 scoops made me want to break something. Afraid it won't pump me up like this if I buy it now....

**madman911** · 04-30-2006, 05:22 PM

I'm going to be trying ErgoPharm AMP very soon, I've heard some great things about it from people who's opinions I highly respect. It's supposed to turn you into an iron moving beast.

It is not recommended for people under 18. But, my attitude is that if you're say 17.5, then it's okay to round up.

Hybrid · 04-30-2006, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madman911

I'm going to be trying ErgoPharm AMP very soon, I've heard some great things about it from people who's opinions I highly respect. It's supposed to turn you into an iron moving beast.

It is not recommended for people under 18. But, my attitude is that if you're say 17.5, then it's okay to round up.

I've tried AMP. It's alright. With 3 amps it would wake me up enough to lift at 5AM, but wouldn't pump me up. Still yawned and junk tho.

04-27-2006, 10:00 PM	#1
Hybrid IMPC Contestant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gibsonia PA Posts: 824 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 102	Anything to help "push me" over the edge? I think I've got my diet down, and my training is good (on spytech's HSHT). I've always been a big disbelieve of supps (their effieciency)... I've always stuck to creatine + whey + mult + green tea. I recently picked up some Xtend to help speed recovery and hopefully add more LMM..... Now I'm looking for something else. I'm looking for something (other than creatine mono, which doesn't seem to be working very well atm) that will help push my strength or hypertrophy up a little. I know, I know, I'm 17 so I'm "raging with hormones" and should stick to the basics. But I really don't have raging hormones. Infact I dun really care if I get laid or not.... Odd for a teenager, eh? Shit, it's odd for anyone... I'm going to get my test levels tested soon... I have a feeling they may be low... Neways, can you guys think of anything? I no longer care what it tastes like, if it makes me blow chunks (out either end) or anything. As long as it helps my in the gym. If any1 has suggestions, please offer them up . Thanks, and money is not a huge problem (but I obviuosly don't want to buy something ridiculous like Cell-Tech - just an example of high priced, wouldn't pick it up!) __________________ If you even dream about beating me you'd better wake up and apologize - Muhammad Ali

04-28-2006, 03:51 AM	#3
comfortable_pants Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 260 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	bulking? cutting? recomping? __________________

04-28-2006, 01:26 PM	#6
Lift I Love IronMass.Com Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 825 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 121	^^Thats a great post! Awesome info, many thanks __________________ MrLiftALot@hotmail.com "King Kong Ain't Got Sh*t On Me..."

04-28-2006, 02:12 PM	#8
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,559 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 195	Great post by Grunt on the antioxidants. Hybrid, you say that you "think" you have your diet down. Are you gaining weight? If you are not, then you simply need more calories. Caloric intake is key. The basic principle of bulking is really simple: eat enough calories to be consistently gaining about a pound a week. That means about a 500 calorie surplus daily. If you aren't gaining weight at that rate, up your calories. Count calories, it is absolutely necessary for most people in order to train efficiently. You need to know exactly how many cals you are eating on a daily basis; how much protein; how much carbs; how much fat. If you are eating enough to see weight gains on a weekly basis and training hard (if you're using spytech's program, you are definitely training hard) then you will increase your LBM. You will likely put on some fat too, but that's the way it goes. If you want to make an omlette, you have to break a few eggs, as they say. If I ask you how many calories you're taking in on a daily basis, can you answer that question? Not guesstimate, but know? Caloric intake is the key here, not supplementation. __________________ IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

04-30-2006, 05:22 PM	#12
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,559 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 195	I'm going to be trying ErgoPharm AMP very soon, I've heard some great things about it from people who's opinions I highly respect. It's supposed to turn you into an iron moving beast. It is not recommended for people under 18. But, my attitude is that if you're say 17.5, then it's okay to round up. __________________ IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

04-28-2006, 01:48 PM	#7
bubba g Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,947 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 496	eat two chicken breasts a day in addition to your current diet.... You will make better gains than with any supplement out there that you should take... try CEE if the monohydrate isn't working....

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