Shoulders- A Different Beast?

jimmyhots · 11-08-2006, 05:33 PM

Hey all is it usual for delts to react to training differently than most other muscles?

Do your shoulders get sore after working them? Mine don't... is that to be expected? For example after doing squats my legs are trashed & will be sore next day. Rows, deads, & pullups make my back sore. Bench Press tonight & be sore tomorrow.

But after working my shoulders on seated overhead presses with heavy weight, they'll feel a little trashed & weak, but I never get much in the way of DMS in them. Maybe a little DMS under my arms or in the upper arms, but never right in the heart of my delts? My SP weght is going up so I'm not too worried, but think this is kinda strange...?

Jimmy

**Ikaika** · 11-08-2006, 06:15 PM

Shoulders ARE a different beast. They're comprised mostly of slow-twitch muscle fibers, which take a lot of volume to really fatigue. This is why most people respond better to the 8-12 rep range and lots of sets than they would with a few high-intensity sets of 4-6 reps.

Post up your current shoulder workout and lets see what we can tweak to make it more effective for you.

**bubba g** · 11-08-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikaika

Shoulders ARE a different beast. They're comprised mostly of slow-twitch muscle fibers, which take a lot of volume to really fatigue. This is why most people respond better to the 8-12 rep range and lots of sets than they would with a few high-intensity sets of 4-6 reps.

Post up your current shoulder workout and lets see what we can tweak to make it more effective for you.

I second that.. lets see your whole shoulder routine.. reps sets, exercises..

Shoulders do seem to respond bettter to higher reps, and more sets...

myself I do my shoulder presses heavy, and low rep, but I do my lateral raises, and other shoulder exercises at a higher rep range...

jimmyhots · 11-08-2006, 06:42 PM

My shoulder workout is as simple as can be: two sets of bb seated shoulder presses to the front, done once per week. I've been going low reps about 6 - 8 at nice heavy poundage (heavy for me at least...). I seem to respond better to low # of sets, hence only the two. But I pretty much go to failure both sets. Using this approach my SP poundage has gone up by about 25 lbs in about a month & a half.

So even though the weifht is going up, I do wonder why I feel no soreness in those suckers...

JH

**bubba g** · 11-08-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyhots

My shoulder workout is as simple as can be: two sets of bb seated shoulder presses to the front, done once per week. I've been going low reps about 6 - 8 at nice heavy poundage (heavy for me at least...). I seem to respond better to low # of sets, hence only the two. But I pretty much go to failure both sets. Using this approach my SP poundage has gone up by about 25 lbs in about a month & a half.

So even though the weifht is going up, I do wonder why I feel no soreness in those suckers...

JH

That is pretty common.. I used to never feel soreness in my shoulders ever, and I know a lot of other people say the same thing...

as long as you are making gains in strength, and size than you are all set...

the shoulder press works the front delt maily, and partialy side delts.. what are you doing for rear delts??

You should definatly add some rear laterals, and side laterals to that routine for sure, otherwise you will have muscle imbalance.. which is pretty common.. everyone neglects the rear delts..

Jordan×core · 11-08-2006, 08:32 PM

My shoulders get pretty sore after shrugs but tahts only because I have a bad shoulder.

**krzna** · 11-08-2006, 09:15 PM

some one say shoulder beast?

**romanaz** · 11-08-2006, 10:08 PM

imo, even i dont do just 2 sets. I would do some side and rear delt work to. maybe high pulls? and then front/side/rear raises. Hit them hard, hit them often. :-D

kethnaab · 11-08-2006, 10:39 PM

My delts don't get sore unless my wife bites it while she's...er...nevermind...

**DarkFalcon** · 11-08-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kethnaab

My delts don't get sore unless my wife bites it while she's...er...nevermind...

lol...My delts get mildly sore but I push them pretty hard.

jimmyhots · 11-09-2006, 03:39 AM

mine doesn't get sore unless it's bitten too. uh were we talking muscles...?

i was doing side & rear raises & they are great, but over the last several months i think i've lost out on some gains due to overtraining using 4-5 day splits & stuff, so now i'm purposely doing less to see how that works out.

i'm doing bb rows now, won't that hit the rear delts to an extent?

**Ikaika** · 11-09-2006, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmyhots

i'm doing bb rows now, won't that hit the rear delts to an extent?

to an extent, yes, but not so much that you would benefit from it. Add 3 sets of bent over raises with either a cable or dumbbell and really concentrate on squeezing those rear delts. It's easy to use your traps and back when you do rear raises, so use weight you can do ~12 reps with and really focus on your mind-muscle connection.

**romanaz** · 11-09-2006, 04:27 PM

I do what I call (stole it from SCT) the Triple threat.

Front Raises x20, Side Raises x20, Rear Raises x20 RIGHT after each other. It takes a beast to do, but it works wonders.

AYung · 11-10-2006, 12:40 AM

Mine are almost never sore the next day. But today they are for some reason. I'm attributing it to the heavy Rear Laterals that I did.

Jeff Rage · 11-13-2006, 08:25 PM

Keep in mind DOMS is not an good indicator as to whether or not you worked something effectively or not.

**romanaz** · 11-13-2006, 08:43 PM

true, but its an indicator none-the-less

danman77220 · 11-13-2006, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by romanaz

I do what I call (stole it from SCT) the Triple threat.

Front Raises x20, Side Raises x20, Rear Raises x20 RIGHT after each other. It takes a beast to do, but it works wonders.

How many sets of that?

**romanaz** · 11-14-2006, 01:14 AM

i would do my bb military press's 1 working set of them, then take a 1-2 min break and do 1 set of them. its hard, those side raises are sooo tough, but once finish you'll feel so much better.

11-08-2006, 05:33 PM	#1
jimmyhots New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 20 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Shoulders- A Different Beast? Hey all is it usual for delts to react to training differently than most other muscles? Do your shoulders get sore after working them? Mine don't... is that to be expected? For example after doing squats my legs are trashed & will be sore next day. Rows, deads, & pullups make my back sore. Bench Press tonight & be sore tomorrow. But after working my shoulders on seated overhead presses with heavy weight, they'll feel a little trashed & weak, but I never get much in the way of DMS in them. Maybe a little DMS under my arms or in the upper arms, but never right in the heart of my delts? My SP weght is going up so I'm not too worried, but think this is kinda strange...? Jimmy

11-08-2006, 06:15 PM	#2
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,679 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 214	Shoulders ARE a different beast. They're comprised mostly of slow-twitch muscle fibers, which take a lot of volume to really fatigue. This is why most people respond better to the 8-12 rep range and lots of sets than they would with a few high-intensity sets of 4-6 reps. Post up your current shoulder workout and lets see what we can tweak to make it more effective for you. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

11-08-2006, 08:32 PM	#6
Jordan×core Pro Stature Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 851 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 31	My shoulders get pretty sore after shrugs but tahts only because I have a bad shoulder. __________________ How did I fail women studies? I love bitches. If there is no enemy there is no fight...if there is no fight there is no victor...if there is no victor there is no crown.....now we have a enemy we have a fight and we will win the crown.

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11-10-2006, 12:40 AM	#14
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11-08-2006, 06:42 PM	#4
jimmyhots New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 20 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	My shoulder workout is as simple as can be: two sets of bb seated shoulder presses to the front, done once per week. I've been going low reps about 6 - 8 at nice heavy poundage (heavy for me at least...). I seem to respond better to low # of sets, hence only the two. But I pretty much go to failure both sets. Using this approach my SP poundage has gone up by about 25 lbs in about a month & a half. So even though the weifht is going up, I do wonder why I feel no soreness in those suckers... JH

11-08-2006, 10:39 PM	#9
kethnaab Amateur Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 81 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	My delts don't get sore unless my wife bites it while she's...er...nevermind...

11-09-2006, 03:39 AM	#11
jimmyhots New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 20 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	mine doesn't get sore unless it's bitten too. uh were we talking muscles...? i was doing side & rear raises & they are great, but over the last several months i think i've lost out on some gains due to overtraining using 4-5 day splits & stuff, so now i'm purposely doing less to see how that works out. i'm doing bb rows now, won't that hit the rear delts to an extent?

11-13-2006, 08:25 PM	#15
Jeff Rage Amateur Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 84 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	Keep in mind DOMS is not an good indicator as to whether or not you worked something effectively or not.