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miezimau · 04-02-2006, 04:28 PM

ok, so I had an Miniskus Tear several years ago which had to be repaired Surgically, and my Doc told me to do Squats but said not to do deep ones. How far down am I allowed to go without reinjuring myself?
I also cannot run on the treadmill or outside, I have to use the Elliptical.

Any other things I should be aware of?
I know Leg Extentions if too heayy really kill me, but how am I supposed to gain strenght in my quads without heavier weights?
Doc told me the stronger my quads the better for my knee.
I am confused?

**DJSTARER** · 04-03-2006, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miezimau

ok, so I had an Miniskus Tear several years ago which had to be repaired Surgically, and my Doc told me to do Squats but said not to do deep ones. How far down am I allowed to go without reinjuring myself?
I also cannot run on the treadmill or outside, I have to use the Elliptical.

Any other things I should be aware of?
I know Leg Extentions if too heayy really kill me, but how am I supposed to gain strenght in my quads without heavier weights?
Doc told me the stronger my quads the better for my knee.
I am confused?

ask your doctor for specific info.

If I were to take a guess, it would be to not go past parallel. You can use a box.

miezimau · 04-03-2006, 02:08 PM

Thanks for the info! I will be seeing my Doc for a follow up soon and I will ask her About it.
I guess I will lift light for now until I got more info from my doc.

**bigDman** · 04-03-2006, 02:40 PM

you can build strong quads without leg extensions

you can use leg press... im sure there are many others put i dont do much quad work

miezimau · 04-03-2006, 02:43 PM

Hey thanks for the reply bigDman. I already do Leg press and I am actually able to go pretty heavy on them right now.

**bigDman** · 04-04-2006, 10:51 AM

i guess most compound leg movments hit the quad

deadlift, hack squat, lunge, step up, and all other lunge varations

miezimau · 04-04-2006, 01:42 PM

Thanks Big D, but Lunges are out of the question for me (doc's orders) I already do deadlifts (did some yesterday

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97muscle · 06-13-2006, 06:09 PM

My knee used to hurt alot too when I did leg ext. But I have found that if you can scoot back in the sit and bring the back of your knee to the pad it will take alot of the strain off of the knee. It helped me so I hope that it makes a difference for you. I actually had to have a prosthetic knee because of a cliff diving accident that completely severed the lower part of my leg from the knee down. I was fortunate enough that the reattachment was a success or I might be in a wheelchair right now. Take care of your knees, you only have 2 of them.

0311 · 06-19-2006, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miezimau

ok, so I had an Miniskus Tear several years ago which had to be repaired Surgically, and my Doc told me to do Squats but said not to do deep ones. How far down am I allowed to go without reinjuring myself?
I also cannot run on the treadmill or outside, I have to use the Elliptical.

Several years ago??..Do you mean months? I had a miniskus tear in my right knee back in '98' and my doc told me the same thing. My doc also told me I could never join the Marine Corps infantry either because of all the hiking/running OUTSIDE. I made it through two 25 mile hikes, a ton of others, and Iraq with a surgically repaired knee..Same as yours. Mine was locked 90 degrees for a week before surgury. Hurt like hell. Anyways, I've also squatted A2G for a few years now and never had a problem. My knee only hurts when I used to stop at parallel.

So my advice is to listen to your body and don't push it..However, the liklihood of another tear after seven years isn't as high as you make it out to be so long as you don't push to hard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arioch

There are several schools of thought on squat depth. Many misinformed individuals caution against squatting below parallel, stating that this is hazardous to the knees. Nothing could be further from the truth. (2) Stopping at or above parallel places direct stress on the knees, whereas a deep squat will transfer the load to the hips,(3) which are capable of handling a greater amount of force than the knees should ever be exposed to. Studies have shown that the squat produces lower peak tibeo-femoral(stress at the knee joint) compressive force than both the leg press and the leg extension.(4) For functional strength, one should descend as deeply as possible, and under control. (yes, certain individuals can squat in a ballistic manner, but they are the exception rather than the rule). The further a lifter descends, the more the hamstrings are recruited, and proper squatting displays nearly twice the hamstring involvement of the leg press or leg extension. (5,6) and as one of the functions of the hamstring is to protect the patella tendon (the primary tendon involved in knee extension) during knee extension through a concurrent firing process, the greatest degree of hamstring recruitment should provide the greatest degree of protection to the knee joint. (7) When one is a powerlifter, the top surface of the legs at the hip joint must descend to a point below the top surface of the legs at the knee joint.

2 Ariel, B.G., 1974. Biomechanical analysis of the knee joint during deep knee bends with a heavy load. Biomechanics. IV(1):44-52.

3 High- and low-bar squatting techniques during weight-training. Wretenberg P; Feng Y; Arborelius UP, Med Sci Sports Exerc, 28(2):218-24 1996 Feb

4 An analytical model of the knee for estimation of internal forces during exercise. Zheng N; Fleisig GS; Escamilla RF; Barrentine SW, J Biomech, 31(10):963-7 1998 Oct

5 Biomechanics of the knee during closed kinetic chain and open kinetic chain exercises. Escamilla RF; Fleisig GS; Zheng N; Barrentine SW; Wilk KE; Andrews JR Med Sci Sports Exerc, 30(4):556-69 1998 Apr

6 A comparison of tibiofemoral joint forces and electromyographic activity during open and closed kinetic chain exercises. Wilk KE; Escamilla RF; Fleisig GS; Barrentine SW; Andrews JR; Boyd ML Am J Sports Med, 24(4):518-27 1996 Jul-Aug

7 Chandler TJ and Stone MH. (1991) The squat exercise in athletic conditioning: a review of the literature. NSCA Journal. 13(5): 58-60.
8 Hsieh, H. and P.S. Walker. 1976. Stabilizing mechanisms of the loaded and unloaded knee joint. Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery. 58A(1):87-93.

0311 · 06-19-2006, 04:50 PM

I just put that last post out there to show you that it CAN be done. After thinking about it, if you are really scared about it, then do what your doctor says. I just wanted to show you the light at the end of the tunnel.

miezimau · 06-19-2006, 06:34 PM

Well, I had my repair several years ago (1994 to be exact).

The article you posted is very interesting and I have to give it a second thought. Thanks !

**BobThePotato** · 06-21-2006, 03:46 AM

I had ACL reconstruction on my right left knee and ACL and Miniscus reconstruction in my right knee about a year ago or so. I squat ATG no problem and have no problem doing leg extentions. However when I do leg press I have to keep my feet high on the plate or it kills my knees.

04-02-2006, 04:28 PM	#1
miezimau IMPC Contestant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: at home Posts: 473 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 10	Need help ok, so I had an Miniskus Tear several years ago which had to be repaired Surgically, and my Doc told me to do Squats but said not to do deep ones. How far down am I allowed to go without reinjuring myself? I also cannot run on the treadmill or outside, I have to use the Elliptical. Any other things I should be aware of? I know Leg Extentions if too heayy really kill me, but how am I supposed to gain strenght in my quads without heavier weights? Doc told me the stronger my quads the better for my knee. I am confused?

04-03-2006, 02:40 PM	#4
bigDman is missing heavy pulls Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,611 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 186	you can build strong quads without leg extensions you can use leg press... im sure there are many others put i dont do much quad work __________________ COME CHECK OUT MY JOURNAL

04-04-2006, 10:51 AM	#6
bigDman is missing heavy pulls Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,611 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 186	i guess most compound leg movments hit the quad deadlift, hack squat, lunge, step up, and all other lunge varations __________________ COME CHECK OUT MY JOURNAL

04-04-2006, 01:42 PM	#7
miezimau IMPC Contestant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: at home Posts: 473 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 10	Thanks Big D, but Lunges are out of the question for me (doc's orders) I already do deadlifts (did some yesterday ) __________________ Opportunity Some People dream of Success..While others wake up and work hard at it.

06-13-2006, 06:09 PM	#8
97muscle Pro Stature Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 165 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	My knee used to hurt alot too when I did leg ext. But I have found that if you can scoot back in the sit and bring the back of your knee to the pad it will take alot of the strain off of the knee. It helped me so I hope that it makes a difference for you. I actually had to have a prosthetic knee because of a cliff diving accident that completely severed the lower part of my leg from the knee down. I was fortunate enough that the reattachment was a success or I might be in a wheelchair right now. Take care of your knees, you only have 2 of them. __________________ "One's success is determined only by his/her effort and willingness to get back up when they fall." 97muscle 12 Week Transformation: www.anabolicbeast.com For "PERSONALIZED" Personal Training visit: www.MichaelElias.com www.KendraElias.com Proud Supporter of ALRI: www.alrindustries.com/index.html

04-03-2006, 02:08 PM	#3
miezimau IMPC Contestant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: at home Posts: 473 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 10	Thanks for the info! I will be seeing my Doc for a follow up soon and I will ask her About it. I guess I will lift light for now until I got more info from my doc.

04-03-2006, 02:43 PM	#5
miezimau IMPC Contestant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: at home Posts: 473 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 10	Hey thanks for the reply bigDman. I already do Leg press and I am actually able to go pretty heavy on them right now.

06-19-2006, 04:50 PM	#10
0311 Amateur Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Posts: 25 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	I just put that last post out there to show you that it CAN be done. After thinking about it, if you are really scared about it, then do what your doctor says. I just wanted to show you the light at the end of the tunnel. __________________ Mod at bodybuilding.NET 5'9" 260lbs 16% Pics Here Semper Fi

06-19-2006, 06:34 PM	#11
miezimau IMPC Contestant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: at home Posts: 473 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 10	Well, I had my repair several years ago (1994 to be exact). The article you posted is very interesting and I have to give it a second thought. Thanks ! __________________ Opportunity Some People dream of Success..While others wake up and work hard at it.

06-21-2006, 03:46 AM	#12
BobThePotato Nublarsaurusrex Join Date: May 2005 Location: Calgary//Alberta Posts: 519 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 21	I had ACL reconstruction on my right left knee and ACL and Miniscus reconstruction in my right knee about a year ago or so. I squat ATG no problem and have no problem doing leg extentions. However when I do leg press I have to keep my feet high on the plate or it kills my knees. __________________ "Geadelt ist wer Schmerzen kennt vom Feuer das in Lust verbrennt."

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