Is This A Good Way To Train Shoulders?? Please help

saam16 · 07-23-2006, 01:19 AM

Whenever I train my shoudlers, I like to place a great deal of my focus on all three heads. Here is a list of what I do:

Dumbell Machine Raise (b/c of my back)
Military Press w/ Smith Machine
Barbell Raise
Side Lateral Raise w/ barbell or cabell
Front Lateral Raise "

Now here is my question on the issue. Because the barbell raise places a emphasis on the lats, I would think doing a side lateral is pointless. Instead, I would do this routine to place better focus:

Barbell Raise: for lats
side, front, and back lateral raise with cable: for all 3 heads

And then for the following week switch to this:

Shoulder Machine Press
Military Press
Lateral Raise
Front Raise

And again switch to the other routine. With all this being said, is this plan feasibe? Does it make sense? Thank you.

**DJSTARER** · 07-23-2006, 02:08 AM

what is your experience level. To me, only a 4 or 5 sets each week really need to be focused on your shoulders. Your shoulders will be hit pretty hard when you do any pulling or pushing.

If you are going to train your shoulders, I would simply stick with an upright row, side raise and military press of some sort.

**romanaz** · 07-23-2006, 02:25 AM

I would stick with upright row and military press or clean and jerk. Actually, clean and jerk would be best in my opinion. Your shoulders will hurt like no tomorow if you do two good working sets of military press or clean and jerks a week and you should be fine.

I personally don't do front/lateral raises anymore as I feel a good military press/clean + jerk works the shoulders more then enough.. and going on that to, I don't work my traps directly, I work them all through deadlifts and other exercises.

saam16 · 07-23-2006, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

what is your experience level. To me, only a 4 or 5 sets each week really need to be focused on your shoulders. Your shoulders will be hit pretty hard when you do any pulling or pushing.

If you are going to train your shoulders, I would simply stick with an upright row, side raise and military press of some sort.

Let me first say thank you for replying to my inquiry. I am at a intermediate level right now and usually like to read articles that discuss new techniques to lifting. Also, I meant upright row not barbell row so my apology for the misunderstanding.

I do agree with you in saying that 4 or 5 sets is more that enough, which is why I stick to 4. Before I would do upright row and lateral raise and shoulder raise together, which is when I started noticing how my lats were getting too wide. Now I do side. front, back and lateral raise with the cable and then I do the upright row. That way I am focusing on thel lats while those isolatione exercises are working the deltoid more.

**bubba g** · 07-23-2006, 02:39 AM

You are neglecting the rear delt head. bent over laterals hit them really well... Your front delts get hit really hard when you bench press.. It is pretty common to see people whos front, and side delts overpower their rear delts.

most commonly you see well developed front delts, decent side delts, and no rear delts.. this happens because a lot of people neglect rear delts and don't hit them directly, and to make matters worse they hit the front delts real hard while benching, doing millitary press, and front raises. the side get hit really well with the military press, and side raises

DO yourself a favor and hit your rear delts first, and really work them hard.. I would leave out the front raises.. for now stick to rear laterals, side laterals, and millitary press...

saam16 · 07-23-2006, 02:43 AM

Big thank you to everyone who has solicited their response. I think I found an official routine:

Smith Machine Barbell Press [I can switch b/w this and the shoulder machine ever other week]
Upright Row 3 sets 12 reps
Front Lateral Raise 3 sets 12 reps
Side Lateral Raise "
Back Lateral Raise "

**Jayhawkk** · 07-23-2006, 02:49 AM

I love rear shrugs and rear half uprights too . PLenty of stretching and I make sure I don't throw it between my chest and back routine so I don't have three days in a row of hard shoulder work.

JB20 · 07-23-2006, 02:13 PM

cannot go wrong with shrugs for shoulder development

**romanaz** · 07-23-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JB20

cannot go wrong with shrugs for shoulder development

shrugs work the traps not the shoulders per say..
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...r/BBShrug.html

JB20 · 07-23-2006, 11:32 PM

i thought it hit the whole area

**bubba g** · 07-23-2006, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB20

i thought it hit the whole area

nawwww... shrugs are for traps..

**Peaked_18** · 07-24-2006, 01:30 AM

Barely any shoulder work is needed with an overall training routine. 3 sets of military presses are enough for me per week.

grammo13 · 07-24-2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

Barely any shoulder work is needed with an overall training routine. 3 sets of military presses are enough for me per week.

Thats the way to do it. One rest pause set of presses for me a week

Jakl · 07-24-2006, 07:45 PM

Someone hit me with a link to show me how to do back lateral raise. I am that guy with front and side but no back development.

**Peaked_18** · 07-24-2006, 10:04 PM

exrx.net

Jakl · 07-25-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaked_18

exrx.net

Thanx, I do those I guess I didn't know what to call them. I like that site though.

BiGgYmRaT · 09-30-2006, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saam16

Big thank you to everyone who has solicited their response. I think I found an official routine:

Smith Machine Barbell Press [I can switch b/w this and the shoulder machine ever other week]
Upright Row 3 sets 12 reps
Front Lateral Raise 3 sets 12 reps
Side Lateral Raise "
Back Lateral Raise "

I'd get rid of those front raises and add another compound....like DB Shoulder press. And instead of Back laterals, I'd do a bent over Rear Delt row....

07-23-2006, 01:19 AM	#1
saam16 Amateur Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 38 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Is This A Good Way To Train Shoulders?? Please help Whenever I train my shoudlers, I like to place a great deal of my focus on all three heads. Here is a list of what I do: Dumbell Machine Raise (b/c of my back) Military Press w/ Smith Machine Barbell Raise Side Lateral Raise w/ barbell or cabell Front Lateral Raise " Now here is my question on the issue. Because the barbell raise places a emphasis on the lats, I would think doing a side lateral is pointless. Instead, I would do this routine to place better focus: Barbell Raise: for lats side, front, and back lateral raise with cable: for all 3 heads And then for the following week switch to this: Shoulder Machine Press Military Press Lateral Raise Front Raise And again switch to the other routine. With all this being said, is this plan feasibe? Does it make sense? Thank you.

07-23-2006, 02:08 AM	#2
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,979 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	what is your experience level. To me, only a 4 or 5 sets each week really need to be focused on your shoulders. Your shoulders will be hit pretty hard when you do any pulling or pushing. If you are going to train your shoulders, I would simply stick with an upright row, side raise and military press of some sort. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

07-23-2006, 02:43 AM	#6
saam16 Amateur Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 38 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	You guys are awsome Big thank you to everyone who has solicited their response. I think I found an official routine: Smith Machine Barbell Press [I can switch b/w this and the shoulder machine ever other week] Upright Row 3 sets 12 reps Front Lateral Raise 3 sets 12 reps Side Lateral Raise " Back Lateral Raise "

07-23-2006, 02:49 AM	#7
Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,113 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	I love rear shrugs and rear half uprights too . PLenty of stretching and I make sure I don't throw it between my chest and back routine so I don't have three days in a row of hard shoulder work. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

07-23-2006, 02:13 PM	#8
JB20 Heavy Metal Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 663 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 41	cannot go wrong with shrugs for shoulder development __________________ http://sonybmg.com/musicbox/video/aliceinchains/

07-23-2006, 02:39 AM	#5
bubba g Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,179 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 178	You are neglecting the rear delt head. bent over laterals hit them really well... Your front delts get hit really hard when you bench press.. It is pretty common to see people whos front, and side delts overpower their rear delts. most commonly you see well developed front delts, decent side delts, and no rear delts.. this happens because a lot of people neglect rear delts and don't hit them directly, and to make matters worse they hit the front delts real hard while benching, doing millitary press, and front raises. the side get hit really well with the military press, and side raises DO yourself a favor and hit your rear delts first, and really work them hard.. I would leave out the front raises.. for now stick to rear laterals, side laterals, and millitary press...

07-23-2006, 11:32 PM	#10
JB20 Heavy Metal Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 663 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 41	i thought it hit the whole area __________________ http://sonybmg.com/musicbox/video/aliceinchains/

07-24-2006, 01:30 AM	#12
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,297 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	Barely any shoulder work is needed with an overall training routine. 3 sets of military presses are enough for me per week.

07-24-2006, 07:45 PM	#14
Jakl Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 160 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	Someone hit me with a link to show me how to do back lateral raise. I am that guy with front and side but no back development. __________________ 5:00 A.M. Must get up... Must workout...

07-24-2006, 10:04 PM	#15
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,297 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	exrx.net

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