BB Shrugs? Rev. grip Ok?

teufel-hunden · 07-24-2006, 06:42 PM

Hey when doing Barbell shrugs I commonly use a reverse grip like when doing deads. Is this ok? It feels like I work both sides equally. It is easier to hang on to the bar. It is easier then messing with wraps.

**Jayhawkk** · 07-24-2006, 08:17 PM

Yeah, it won't hurt ya.

**Peaked_18** · 07-24-2006, 10:03 PM

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Yeah, it won't hurt ya.

Yeah it will. Tear a bicep easy doing that, use straps and do double-overhand.

**Jayhawkk** · 07-24-2006, 11:03 PM

a couple inch movement will tear a bicep but deadlifts won't? I started using a reverse grip when I bruised my forearm and never had any bicep issues at all.

Ihateeveryone · 07-24-2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

a couple inch movement will tear a bicep but deadlifts won't? I started using a reverse grip when I bruised my forearm and never had any bicep issues at all.

Depends on the form. Some people - and I watch them do it - not only shrug the bar up, but use the arms to move it further. Behind the back, this gives you the opportunity I spose to tear a bicep if you're not careful.

**Jayhawkk** · 07-24-2006, 11:23 PM

I don't even know how you'd do it behind the back that way but I guess if you do shrug-curls, you're absolutely right.

**Peaked_18** · 07-24-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

a couple inch movement will tear a bicep but deadlifts won't? I started using a reverse grip when I bruised my forearm and never had any bicep issues at all.

Never said it didn't, it will.

**Jayhawkk** · 07-25-2006, 01:44 AM

I'll have to disagree with your opinion then.

Ihateeveryone · 07-25-2006, 02:22 AM

I watch a lot of people shrug - at the top of the movement they almost do a mini upright row, in order to get extra ROM. In that situation, an under/over grip behind the back will result in one arm bending in the fashion it does for a curl - even sitting here performing the movement without a bar puts a lot of unneeded stress on my shoulder. So it's either shoulder injuries or biceps injuries you'll get, as a result of compensating for one to avoid the other.

**Peaked_18** · 07-25-2006, 03:10 AM

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I'll have to disagree with your opinion then.

How much weight do you use?

**Jayhawkk** · 07-25-2006, 05:14 AM

For barbell shrugs? Right now I don't go over 405.
But I really don't see how what my numbers are makes a difference when the original question didn't have a weight mentioned.

**romanaz** · 07-25-2006, 06:33 AM

Use overhand grip for everything IMHO. To much risk involved with tearing a bicep or anything. I personally have dropped shrugs from my routine to, you could try that... and my traps are still pretty sore from deads and such.

**Jayhawkk** · 07-25-2006, 09:46 AM

I'm just trying to understand where you all are coming from that suggest a alternating grip will damage the bicep when it's used very commonly with deadlifts.

teufel-hunden · 07-25-2006, 10:52 AM

I've never went over 275 on shrugs. I have never noticed any bicep pain before. I've done behind the back also. I go much lighter and don't use a reverse grip when doing these.

Ihateeveryone · 07-25-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

I'm just trying to understand where you all are coming from that suggest a alternating grip will damage the bicep when it's used very commonly with deadlifts.

Think about the difference in arm position.

**Peaked_18** · 07-25-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

I'm just trying to understand where you all are coming from that suggest a alternating grip will damage the bicep when it's used very commonly with deadlifts.

The weight you use the more likely you will tear your biceps. I have seen numerous accounts of people on more advanced forums tearing their biceps doing 700 lbs. rack deadlift. I feel it when I do rack deadlifts with a mixed grip. Some with shrugs, people can handle a lot of weight.

**Jayhawkk** · 07-25-2006, 02:20 PM

It's all in using good form and a lot of common sense I suppose. Injuries can occur when you fail to use one or both.

Ihateveryone: You have to understand that when performing these specific exercises you're not curling the bar and should not be attempting to. Some people like to shrug and do a part curl. This particular way of shrugs should not be done with an alternating grip. However when done with the arms in a open position it should not cause any harm.

Ihateeveryone · 07-25-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

It's all in using good form and a lot of common sense I suppose. Injuries can occur when you fail to use one or both.

Ihateveryone: You have to understand that when performing these specific exercises you're not curling the bar and should not be attempting to. Some people like to shrug and do a part curl. This particular way of shrugs should not be done with an alternating grip. However when done with the arms in a open position it should not cause any harm.

Uh, yeah. I understand that you are not supposed to curl the bar. I'm saying that most people I observe, in an attempt to get extra ROM or extra reps, use their arms to raise the bar further. I made that clear.

07-24-2006, 06:42 PM	#1
teufel-hunden Amateur Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 82 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 3	BB Shrugs? Rev. grip Ok? Hey when doing Barbell shrugs I commonly use a reverse grip like when doing deads. Is this ok? It feels like I work both sides equally. It is easier to hang on to the bar. It is easier then messing with wraps. __________________ "I love the Marine Corps for those intangible possessions that cannot be issued: Pride, honor, integrity and being able to carry on the traditions for generations of warriors past. After I have done what I can for the Corps, I can say that I was a Marine" -- Cpl. Jeff Sornij.

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Ihateeveryone Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Castle of Blakkheim Posts: 752 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	I watch a lot of people shrug - at the top of the movement they almost do a mini upright row, in order to get extra ROM. In that situation, an under/over grip behind the back will result in one arm bending in the fashion it does for a curl - even sitting here performing the movement without a bar puts a lot of unneeded stress on my shoulder. So it's either shoulder injuries or biceps injuries you'll get, as a result of compensating for one to avoid the other. __________________ Bullshit things: Hippies Astrology Rap music Nu metal Leg presses Communism Nitric Oxide Left wing politics Decaf coffee Fortune cookies Cutting Prudes Wine coolers Non materialism F**k marijuana - legalise steroids!! Bart: Ohhh, this place smells, and somethings dripping on me! Willie: The smell's manure, and the drippin's manure!

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Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	For barbell shrugs? Right now I don't go over 405. But I really don't see how what my numbers are makes a difference when the original question didn't have a weight mentioned. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

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Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	I'm just trying to understand where you all are coming from that suggest a alternating grip will damage the bicep when it's used very commonly with deadlifts. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

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teufel-hunden Amateur Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 82 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 3	I've never went over 275 on shrugs. I have never noticed any bicep pain before. I've done behind the back also. I go much lighter and don't use a reverse grip when doing these. __________________ "I love the Marine Corps for those intangible possessions that cannot be issued: Pride, honor, integrity and being able to carry on the traditions for generations of warriors past. After I have done what I can for the Corps, I can say that I was a Marine" -- Cpl. Jeff Sornij.

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Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	It's all in using good form and a lot of common sense I suppose. Injuries can occur when you fail to use one or both. Ihateveryone: You have to understand that when performing these specific exercises you're not curling the bar and should not be attempting to. Some people like to shrug and do a part curl. This particular way of shrugs should not be done with an alternating grip. However when done with the arms in a open position it should not cause any harm. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

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