Hydroxicut?

TommyJ · 03-06-2007, 02:10 AM

hey guys whats your input on hydroxicut for a 16yr old 330lb 6'3'' guy? i have real trouble losing weight.. i mean i cut my stuff down n all but when i lift and i walk/bike for on and on but never loose weight and i havnt ran/worked out in maybe 2 months and out of shape whats ur input?

**romanaz** · 03-06-2007, 04:36 AM

first off, start lifting again. Eat clean if you aren't already, and if after 2 months your not moving, MAYBE I would suggest a thermogenic, and definitely not Hydroxycut

Oldrookie · 03-06-2007, 01:38 PM

I would be reluctant to suggest that you rely on something like that. I have struggled for several years trying to cut down to the weight I desired. What finally worked for me is I made a commitment to enter a bodybuilding contest and I began to track everything I ate and recorded fat, carbs, sugar, fat and protein. I gradually cut calories in each of my six different meals per day until I got down to around the recommended 500 calories per day under my maintanance level. I have gradually increased my cardio over time and after 17 1/2 weeks I have cut down from 208 to 173.5. It has been gradual, but consistent.

I truly believe the two keys were (1) making a specific decision and commitment to change and (2) spending the added time to record everything I ate.

TommyJ · 03-06-2007, 05:22 PM

well the only reason i stopped was because my gym pass expired and i had to wait a little bit to get it renewed seeing im jobless and had to wait on the parents lol but i dont truely understand hydroxicut or other thermogenics (Sp) so why dont u guys fill me in if you could i read up on some things but nothing really sunk in... only supps i use is 100% whey protein and Creatine my diet when im actually weight training is limited.. i eat less and since im jobless and dont pick out my food i cut portions.. but the last 2 months ive been pigging out n such and im grounded atm so im kinda anxious now that i have my gym pass back to go down n hit the weights

**romanaz** · 03-06-2007, 06:06 PM

basically a thermogenic is something that raises your body temperature, and basically a higher body temperature burns more calories. Also they include stimulants like caffiene, ephedra etc... which help with burning fat as well. Research it, I'm sure you have some spare time.

**DJSTARER** · 03-07-2007, 02:50 AM

not needed. it can be done naturally, it's just going to take some hard work. Clean it up and start with the protein+cardio in the AM.

TommyJ · 03-17-2007, 12:37 PM

Okay so im back in the gym eating less... but theres another problem im not 330lbs anymore..... at 6'3'' 16yrs old i now weigh more than 350!!! i dont know the correct weight cuz uhh the scale at my gym only goes to 350 =(
im gonna pick out a new split start that up so i got a advancement on that this summer im gonna go on cardio, im takin 100% whey protein/fish oil tablets..... doesnt fish oil help get ur metabolism up also?? i know it smells like the fish i actually catch lol but besides the point.... I feel really greedy im on here maybe 1-2 a week posting for myself RARELY helping someone else.... yet u guys help me so my apologies for this and most the time u guys answer everyone b4 i can read up on it... So any ideas on how im gonna do this??? i mean im not pure fat it kinda makes me mad that i cant get back to average weight i mean i dont want to but me being whatever % BF i have i cant go back down so how is everyone?

**Ikaika** · 03-17-2007, 03:41 PM

Tommy your frustration is something that most people share. There are three basic body types: endomorphs, mesomorphs, and ectomorphs. Some people have a really hard time gaining muscle, but are super lean; others can put on muscle like crazy but tend to gain fat too.

Post your current weight training routine, cardio, and diet...we'll be able to critique them and hopefully help you get to where you want to be.

TommyJ · 03-17-2007, 04:06 PM

Weight training... - im starting this monday a new one befor id mostly just do a full body workout then me med/fully sore.... im finding that making me more lazy to go to the gym.....
Im Starting monday
Monday - Chest/Tris
Tuesday - Back/Bi's
Wesnesday - Legs
Thursday - Shoulders
Friday - Off

Im takin friday off because if one of my buddys pull me out of the gym im screwed....

My cardio does not exist... i mean i used to bike ride when id hit the gym but i have plantars facilitis and it makes it tough for me to run im trying to stay away from running untill its fixed....

My deit is simple.... Anything... I mean my family isnt very wealthy and i currently can not stand the hours of a job type i can get right now... so im out of luck and have to eat what i can get... Although i am cutting down on the food... I mean i have no problem with being big... its the problem that i dont like the belly... The arms.... Id rather be toned and heavy then fat n heavy.. I eat deer and such but cut the fat off.. i eat pasta maybe once a week,

I have no problem with gaining muscle, i do have problems losing weight i mean the fat will go.. but because i gain muscle more than i lose the weight it tends to slightly go up than down...

And Plantar facilitis is a inflammation in the foot practically the plantar facilis, making it painful and hard to stand and running or jogging makes it come faster,

I hope i answered what you are looking for, I do not try n be picky with what i eat because what some of you would consider wrong its really the only thing i eat..

**Ikaika** · 03-17-2007, 04:25 PM

I understand where you're coming from with the diet thing. If you are given an option, try to eat lots of lean meats like chicken, steak, etc. and obviously try to avoid deep fried stuff. My folks used to put the same kind of typical American fare in front of me and I had to suffer through it too.

As for your plantar's...I had that back in high school; it was a pain in my ass man, what a hassle. I used to just do the recumbent bike when I had problems with mine. If you get on a bike and do some high-intensity intervals I think you can start dropping off some fat. Here's what I like to do.

2 minutes: warmup, just cruise to get your blood going to your legs
2:00-2:45 - continue cruising and getting ready for your first interval
2:45-3:15 - crank up the level setting on the bike so you gotta push hard to keep going. The idea here is to maximize your output for the 30 seconds, so pedal as fast as you can with that level up high.
3:15-4:00 - put the level setting back down and cruise
4:00-4:30 - crank it up again

Keep doing this until you hit 17 minutes total; that'll put you at 15 minutes of intervals, which is a good place to start. I prefer interval training over steady-state cardio for a couple reasons. First, you spend less time on the bike. When you're doing this right after your weight training, this is important. You need to get in, get out, and go have your protein shake. Second, intervals cause your basal metabolic rate to increase which means that the amount of calories your body burns throughout the day will be increased. This translates to an increased caloric deficit, and in turn, weight loss.

**romanaz** · 03-17-2007, 06:48 PM

HIIT cardio is the ONLY cardio.

Tommy, just like you I'm an endo, though I'm sure not as tall as you are, I have the same thing. Put on muscle? No problem! Take some fat off? aww shit! Even if you can't eat 100% clean or so, try and eat as much meats as you can. Grab a fitday.com account and log what you eat daily. Try and keep your protien @ ~50% of your total calories. Try and keep the carbs down a bit. I'm currently working on cutting down, and the first thing I cut, is carbs. Keep the carbs kinda low (20% roughly) and the protien and fat higher and do the HIIT cardio on the bike.

Also, set a goal in the gym. That might help keep you motivated. Something like "by this time I want to do X number of reps for X number of sets on X exercise."

good luck, and godspeed!

*note, all my dieting info came from reading on this board, t-nation.com, and from EME's calculator and Madman*

TommyJ · 03-18-2007, 02:03 AM

i know this may sound dumb but what is HIIT? lol ive seen it many many times but not really been explained or told of what it is...

And i love meats lol i eat alot of deer and beef... (grilled/so the oil/fats drip down)

**romanaz** · 03-18-2007, 02:21 AM

HIIT :

High Intensity Interval Training, basically what Ikaika said. Further info:

High-intensity interval training - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Ikaika** · 03-18-2007, 02:45 AM

romanaz if i see you spell protein wrong again i'm going to vomit all over my keyboard. rofl.

**romanaz** · 03-18-2007, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikaika

romanaz if i see you spell protein wrong again i'm going to vomit all over my keyboard. rofl.

thats what you get for looking down all the time :clapping:

honestly, my spell check on firefox comes up for it, but I just ignore it. So I can't spell protein, nor pronounce aluminum, does it make me keep my head up? yes it does

**Ikaika** · 03-18-2007, 06:09 AM

dude you keep this up and mitch is gonna firebomb your house.

**romanaz** · 03-18-2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikaika

dude you keep this up and mitch is gonna firebomb your house.

teehee :peace:

03-06-2007, 02:10 AM	#1
TommyJ Amateur Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 93 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Hydroxicut? hey guys whats your input on hydroxicut for a 16yr old 330lb 6'3'' guy? i have real trouble losing weight.. i mean i cut my stuff down n all but when i lift and i walk/bike for on and on but never loose weight and i havnt ran/worked out in maybe 2 months and out of shape whats ur input? __________________ :sparta:

03-06-2007, 01:38 PM	#3
Oldrookie IMPC Contestant Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 259 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 8	If would agree. I would be reluctant to suggest that you rely on something like that. I have struggled for several years trying to cut down to the weight I desired. What finally worked for me is I made a commitment to enter a bodybuilding contest and I began to track everything I ate and recorded fat, carbs, sugar, fat and protein. I gradually cut calories in each of my six different meals per day until I got down to around the recommended 500 calories per day under my maintanance level. I have gradually increased my cardio over time and after 17 1/2 weeks I have cut down from 208 to 173.5. It has been gradual, but consistent. I truly believe the two keys were (1) making a specific decision and commitment to change and (2) spending the added time to record everything I ate. __________________ "To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." --Steve Prefontaine

03-06-2007, 05:22 PM	#4
TommyJ Amateur Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 93 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	well the only reason i stopped was because my gym pass expired and i had to wait a little bit to get it renewed seeing im jobless and had to wait on the parents lol but i dont truely understand hydroxicut or other thermogenics (Sp) so why dont u guys fill me in if you could i read up on some things but nothing really sunk in... only supps i use is 100% whey protein and Creatine my diet when im actually weight training is limited.. i eat less and since im jobless and dont pick out my food i cut portions.. but the last 2 months ive been pigging out n such and im grounded atm so im kinda anxious now that i have my gym pass back to go down n hit the weights __________________ :sparta:

03-07-2007, 02:50 AM	#6
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,003 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 114	not needed. it can be done naturally, it's just going to take some hard work. Clean it up and start with the protein+cardio in the AM. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

03-17-2007, 12:37 PM	#7
TommyJ Amateur Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 93 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Okay so im back in the gym eating less... but theres another problem im not 330lbs anymore..... at 6'3'' 16yrs old i now weigh more than 350!!! i dont know the correct weight cuz uhh the scale at my gym only goes to 350 =( im gonna pick out a new split start that up so i got a advancement on that this summer im gonna go on cardio, im takin 100% whey protein/fish oil tablets..... doesnt fish oil help get ur metabolism up also?? i know it smells like the fish i actually catch lol but besides the point.... I feel really greedy im on here maybe 1-2 a week posting for myself RARELY helping someone else.... yet u guys help me so my apologies for this and most the time u guys answer everyone b4 i can read up on it... So any ideas on how im gonna do this??? i mean im not pure fat it kinda makes me mad that i cant get back to average weight i mean i dont want to but me being whatever % BF i have i cant go back down so how is everyone? __________________ :sparta:

03-17-2007, 03:41 PM	#8
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,679 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 214	Tommy your frustration is something that most people share. There are three basic body types: endomorphs, mesomorphs, and ectomorphs. Some people have a really hard time gaining muscle, but are super lean; others can put on muscle like crazy but tend to gain fat too. Post your current weight training routine, cardio, and diet...we'll be able to critique them and hopefully help you get to where you want to be. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

03-17-2007, 04:06 PM	#9
TommyJ Amateur Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 93 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Weight training... - im starting this monday a new one befor id mostly just do a full body workout then me med/fully sore.... im finding that making me more lazy to go to the gym..... Im Starting monday Monday - Chest/Tris Tuesday - Back/Bi's Wesnesday - Legs Thursday - Shoulders Friday - Off Im takin friday off because if one of my buddys pull me out of the gym im screwed.... My cardio does not exist... i mean i used to bike ride when id hit the gym but i have plantars facilitis and it makes it tough for me to run im trying to stay away from running untill its fixed.... My deit is simple.... Anything... I mean my family isnt very wealthy and i currently can not stand the hours of a job type i can get right now... so im out of luck and have to eat what i can get... Although i am cutting down on the food... I mean i have no problem with being big... its the problem that i dont like the belly... The arms.... Id rather be toned and heavy then fat n heavy.. I eat deer and such but cut the fat off.. i eat pasta maybe once a week, I have no problem with gaining muscle, i do have problems losing weight i mean the fat will go.. but because i gain muscle more than i lose the weight it tends to slightly go up than down... And Plantar facilitis is a inflammation in the foot practically the plantar facilis, making it painful and hard to stand and running or jogging makes it come faster, I hope i answered what you are looking for, I do not try n be picky with what i eat because what some of you would consider wrong its really the only thing i eat.. __________________ :sparta:

03-17-2007, 04:25 PM	#10
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,679 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 214	I understand where you're coming from with the diet thing. If you are given an option, try to eat lots of lean meats like chicken, steak, etc. and obviously try to avoid deep fried stuff. My folks used to put the same kind of typical American fare in front of me and I had to suffer through it too. As for your plantar's...I had that back in high school; it was a pain in my ass man, what a hassle. I used to just do the recumbent bike when I had problems with mine. If you get on a bike and do some high-intensity intervals I think you can start dropping off some fat. Here's what I like to do. 2 minutes: warmup, just cruise to get your blood going to your legs 2:00-2:45 - continue cruising and getting ready for your first interval 2:45-3:15 - crank up the level setting on the bike so you gotta push hard to keep going. The idea here is to maximize your output for the 30 seconds, so pedal as fast as you can with that level up high. 3:15-4:00 - put the level setting back down and cruise 4:00-4:30 - crank it up again Keep doing this until you hit 17 minutes total; that'll put you at 15 minutes of intervals, which is a good place to start. I prefer interval training over steady-state cardio for a couple reasons. First, you spend less time on the bike. When you're doing this right after your weight training, this is important. You need to get in, get out, and go have your protein shake. Second, intervals cause your basal metabolic rate to increase which means that the amount of calories your body burns throughout the day will be increased. This translates to an increased caloric deficit, and in turn, weight loss. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

03-18-2007, 02:03 AM	#12
TommyJ Amateur Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 93 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	i know this may sound dumb but what is HIIT? lol ive seen it many many times but not really been explained or told of what it is... And i love meats lol i eat alot of deer and beef... (grilled/so the oil/fats drip down) __________________ :sparta:

03-18-2007, 02:45 AM	#14
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,679 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 214	romanaz if i see you spell protein wrong again i'm going to vomit all over my keyboard. rofl. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

03-18-2007, 06:09 AM	#16
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,679 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 214	dude you keep this up and mitch is gonna firebomb your house. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.