What Keeps You Interested? - Page 2

**NNTB** · 02-27-2006, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaked_18

- Some of the AAS sponsors (I'm just against the use and selling of this currently, plus with the teens here).

what?!? lol

**Blap Blaow** · 02-27-2006, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

Actually I just like the people here, and the fact that we have so many mods vs posters that there's very little tom foolery that goes on.

The only thing I dislike about the site is that the people tend to be a little cliqueish. But that is beyond IM's control.

those are actually the only two things I dislike about Iron Mass. Personally- I like a little drama and excitement and I think the shear ratio of mods to posters makes this site a little dull and smothered sometimes- but that's probably just me

Also- yeah, I noticed this place was slightly cliquish as soon as I first started posting. Obviously it's gonna happen anywhere but it's more pronounced on a site with a small community like this.

Those are probably the two main reasons I don't post on this site as much as others.

Please don't hate me :crazy1:

ZackMurphy · 02-27-2006, 01:42 PM

The good:
- That feeling of community that many people have cited.

- great group of core guys (and a few chicks, thanks God).

- Solid level of knowledge by a big chunk of the membership. (which leads me to the bad news)

The bad:
- Not enough newbies. Newbies need the most help, ask the most questions, and develop the strongest bonds with a site they find to be helpful. And frankly, so many of us (me especially!) are so damn knowledgable, that we don't need much from the forum from day to day. We log on to ANSWER questions, but not to post or start a thread. We need more newbs, so there are more new threads and topics from day to day. Yes, news ask dumb questions, but it's the newbs who could use this site the most.

- Too many moderators! Sometimes I feel like have the posts I see are from mods. Do we need that many? Would any of them be offended if we de-modded a few guys so it would seem like more regular guys were posting?

- Not enough posting in the Exercises forum. Seems like everyone is loitering in the supp section, cycle logs, etc., but not many guys are actually talking about the lifting. This really bothers me. Looking at the Exercises sub-forum, only a few threads past the stickies and you're looking at conversations over a week old. No new activity.

Am I a hypocrite? Should I be starting exercise threads? Maybe. But I'd rather new threads be started by guys who actually HAVE questions.

**Fitnfirm** · 02-27-2006, 03:45 PM

**jkeithc82** · 02-27-2006, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaked_18

What I don't Like?
- Some of the moderators who don't apparently lift, just to moderate reminds me of a few guys from BB.com.

Care to name ones specifically? I am not aware of any mods that don't lift.

Trick D · 02-27-2006, 04:16 PM

Things I love about this place:
-No newbies or trolls
-The overall people on the site that post are very quality members that are also good people
- The knowledge on the site
- That sexy moderator named Trick... I mean... uh... the moderators in general
- The sponsors because they allow logs, and give us information directly.

The bad:
-Not enough newbies
-Not enough people in the pro bodybuilding forum
-A little drama filled at times.

And about there being too many moderators, I don't think that is correct. Yeah we have quite a few, but as the site grows, this will be your team. Not to mention each moderator has a specific job to take care of, which is neither large or small. We do a good job with what we are suppose to do.

**jkeithc82** · 02-27-2006, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trick D

And about there being too many moderators, I don't think that is correct. Yeah we have quite a few, but as the site grows, this will be your team. Not to mention each moderator has a specific job to take care of, which is neither large or small. We do a good job with what we are suppose to do.

The thing is though, even though there are a lot of moderators, they all (save for a few vacationing ones :p) are still active on the boards. I still post everyday as well as many others. There are other sites where moderators tend to sit atop their little perches and only show up when a thread needs closing or a banning needs to be handed out. I try to stay active in Sports and I would be more active in Supplements if there was increased traffic.

**NNTB** · 02-27-2006, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blap Blaow

I think the shear ratio of mods to posters makes this site a little dull and smothered sometimes

13 mods
1670 members

1mod/128 members doesnt seem too outta proportion to me. I like how things are taken care of promptly here.

kaliman91 · 02-27-2006, 04:31 PM

I am a newbie to this site and like most spend time on bb due to the overall wealth of knowledge and because there are so many people and alot to follow everyday.But the trolls and many of the vets who just like to rip on people and post junk all day gets old and it takes alot of time to filter through all of it to find the info i need from the threads.
But i always enjoy the smaller sites just because you really get to know the other members and get alittle more personal with many of them.

I agree with alot of the comments about cliques but as it was mentioned already this always happens on a small site.
I do think that one way to help this is to make a effort to post in some of there members journals etc.This is one way to get some of the people who arent part of the "clique" to get more involved.
When people make their first post in the intro forum they get a big welcome but once the intial thread is done these new members kinda get lost and usually if there isnt much reponse on their other posts they will leave.
I see many threads started by newbies that have very little posts in them by alot of the vets on this site.And i believe it will go a long way to keeping some of the new members around if this is done.

**jkeithc82** · 02-27-2006, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blap Blaow

I like a little drama and excitement and I think the shear ratio of mods to posters makes this site a little dull and smothered sometimes- but that's probably just me

Why would you feel smothered though, you are a positive, contributing member. It is mainly the trolling and unnecessary sh!t that is stirred that we just don't want at this site. I do think at times we could be a little more flexable at times, but that will likely come in time.

**MurphMan** · 02-27-2006, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaked_18

What I don't Like?
- Some of the moderators who don't apparently lift, just to moderate reminds me of a few guys from BB.com.

- Some of the AAS sponsors (I'm just against the use and selling of this currently, plus with the teens here).

I can't think of much for what I don't like, but I will update if anything comes up.

Danke.

Thanks for your thoughts, but please clarify.........which Mods don't apparently lift? And please inform me of our "AAS Sponsors?"

**NNTB** · 02-27-2006, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MurphMan

And please inform me of our "AAS Sponsors?"

yes please... i'm interested in doing some product testing. :nosthumbs

ZackMurphy · 02-27-2006, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noneedtobrag

13 mods
1670 members

But what's more important is the # of mods per post. That is, how many posts are there each day to actually moderate?

I don't know the numbers, posts/day, but it just seems like we have an awfully large mod staff. All great guys, surely, but it makes the site feel like a classroom with 8 teachers.

Again, none of this would matter if we had more posts from non-mods in every thread. The problem isn't with the mods. We just need (duh) more traffic from newbies, more questions in every forum, more everything.

And that just takes time.

Massive props to Sholiz et al for even ASKING about this, but I think very little needs to be done. The site seems to be growing, people seem to like it, and progress is being made.

**jkeithc82** · 02-27-2006, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMurphy

But what's more important is the # of mods per post. That is, how many posts are there each day to actually moderate?

I don't know the numbers, posts/day, but it just seems like we have an awfully large mod staff. All great guys, surely, but it makes the site feel like a classroom with 8 teachers.

Again, none of this would matter if we had more posts from non-mods in every thread. The problem isn't with the mods. We just need (duh) more traffic from newbies, more questions in every forum, more everything.

And that just takes time.

Massive props to Sholiz et al for even ASKING about this, but I think very little needs to be done. The site seems to be growing, people seem to like it, and progress is being made.

I still don't really see the issue with too many mods, it's not like there are 50+. People shouldn't fear (respect yes, as you would all of your fellow members) moderators either. We are pretty reasonable when it comes to issues, and the only difference is our names are in bold and we ultimately decide things as to what is best for the forum. I'll reiterate, I and many other mods still post just as much as if we were non-mods, so we still intertact on a daily basis. If you as a member have a pretty level head and realize what is respectful to post and what isn't, then what would it matter if there were 1,000 mods? you wouldn't have anything to worry about.

**MurphMan** · 02-27-2006, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMurphy

But what's more important is the # of mods per post. That is, how many posts are there each day to actually moderate?

I don't know the numbers, posts/day, but it just seems like we have an awfully large mod staff. All great guys, surely, but it makes the site feel like a classroom with 8 teachers.

Again, none of this would matter if we had more posts from non-mods in every thread. The problem isn't with the mods. We just need (duh) more traffic from newbies, more questions in every forum, more everything.

And that just takes time.

Massive props to Sholiz et al for even ASKING about this, but I think very little needs to be done. The site seems to be growing, people seem to like it, and progress is being made.

I agree........when I came on board just last summer, we had like 50 members. We are at about 1600+ now, and that's in less than a year. The more members we have the more possibillities for referrals and word of mouth. I think the site has come a long way.

I appreciate the feedback, as we all strive to make this a better site and we can't make any changes unless we know what the members want. Keep it coming!

ZackMurphy · 02-27-2006, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkeithc82

I still don't really see the issue with too many mods, it's not like there are 50+. People shouldn't fear moderators either. We are pretty reasonable when it comes to issues, and the only difference is our names are in bold and we ultimately decide things as to what is best for the forum. I'll reiterate, I and many other mods still post just as much as if we were non-mods, so we still intertact on a daily basis. If you as a member have a pretty level head and realize what is respectful to post and what isn't, then what would it matter if there were 1,000 mods? you wouldn't have anything to worry about.

All solid points.

My reasoning wasn't that you're not needed or useful - far from it. My impression when I come to the site, though, and when I look at threads and read posts (I read a lot and post a little), is that I see mods posting all over the place.

This is great, of course, because the site needs traffic, and the site needs posts. But when it's so overwhelmingly mod-rich, it makes one wonder where all the little people are. And it's the little people (non-silver, non-gold, non-mod) that make the newbies feel like they're part of a group of people just like them.

IMHO.

**jkeithc82** · 02-27-2006, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMurphy

This is great, of course, because the site needs traffic, and the site needs posts.

Step up those referrels then man. After becoming a mod, my first week I referred 12 new people over here. Problem is, most of them don't stay around. That is also part of the problem, getting the members we have to stay more, but like you said more traffic from new people would help with that.

**MASSIVE** · 02-27-2006, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaked_18

- Some of the moderators who don't apparently lift, just to moderate reminds me of a few guys from BB.com.

What difference does this make?!(unless they mod the training section)
But otherwise, does this make them any less?

02-27-2006, 03:45 PM	#34
Fitnfirm Spanky Doodle ! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Muscle Land Posts: 1,821 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 47	bump

02-27-2006, 04:31 PM	#39
kaliman91 Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: St Louis Posts: 227 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	I am a newbie to this site and like most spend time on bb due to the overall wealth of knowledge and because there are so many people and alot to follow everyday.But the trolls and many of the vets who just like to rip on people and post junk all day gets old and it takes alot of time to filter through all of it to find the info i need from the threads. But i always enjoy the smaller sites just because you really get to know the other members and get alittle more personal with many of them. I agree with alot of the comments about cliques but as it was mentioned already this always happens on a small site. I do think that one way to help this is to make a effort to post in some of there members journals etc.This is one way to get some of the people who arent part of the "clique" to get more involved. When people make their first post in the intro forum they get a big welcome but once the intial thread is done these new members kinda get lost and usually if there isnt much reponse on their other posts they will leave. I see many threads started by newbies that have very little posts in them by alot of the vets on this site.And i believe it will go a long way to keeping some of the new members around if this is done. __________________ Jan. 9th 228 BF% 21.7 Feb. 24th 218 bf% 19.5 Mar. 13th 217 BF% 18.9 Apr. 3rd 213 BF% 17.8 May. 5th 207 BF% 16.8

02-27-2006, 01:42 PM	#33
ZackMurphy IronMass Donator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 547 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 9	The good: - That feeling of community that many people have cited. - great group of core guys (and a few chicks, thanks God). - Solid level of knowledge by a big chunk of the membership. (which leads me to the bad news) The bad: - Not enough newbies. Newbies need the most help, ask the most questions, and develop the strongest bonds with a site they find to be helpful. And frankly, so many of us (me especially!) are so damn knowledgable, that we don't need much from the forum from day to day. We log on to ANSWER questions, but not to post or start a thread. We need more newbs, so there are more new threads and topics from day to day. Yes, news ask dumb questions, but it's the newbs who could use this site the most. - Too many moderators! Sometimes I feel like have the posts I see are from mods. Do we need that many? Would any of them be offended if we de-modded a few guys so it would seem like more regular guys were posting? - Not enough posting in the Exercises forum. Seems like everyone is loitering in the supp section, cycle logs, etc., but not many guys are actually talking about the lifting. This really bothers me. Looking at the Exercises sub-forum, only a few threads past the stickies and you're looking at conversations over a week old. No new activity. Am I a hypocrite? Should I be starting exercise threads? Maybe. But I'd rather new threads be started by guys who actually HAVE questions.