weed????

yazf909 · 09-19-2006, 12:45 AM

i used to smoke weed allot like every day for a year, i got lazy so i stopped and picked up a dumbell instead, but now im back to smoking some times i wanna know how bad it could be i heard about allot of top body builders smoked weed during training and even at competions (arnold), if i smoke like in the moring and eat strict diet of protien and carbs, and still work out at night is it still gonna mess up my results?:confused2:

Jordan×core · 09-19-2006, 12:57 AM

Only thing I can think of right now is it would mess you up on your cardio since the tar in your lungs is being built up.

Drew1200 · 09-19-2006, 12:59 AM

I don't smoke anymore, but used to in college probably 4-5 times a day. never affected my gains... as long as you don't let that lack of motivation get to you

I always thought it was kind of a good thing though, I'd always smoke down on a friday night and it'd keep me from going out with my friends, drinking tons of beer, eating crappy food at 3 in the mroning, etc. I wouldnt say weed is healthy for you by any means but for me, at that particular point in my life, the benefits definitely outweighed the negatives.

BiGgYmRaT · 09-19-2006, 11:31 PM

It doesnt build up tar in your lungs, at least not in the same way cigs do. It only affects the lower 10% of your lungs. Weeds actaully an expectorant which means it helps losen up junk in your lungs so you can cough it up. I know many great athletes with good lungs who smoke. They say that Weed can lower T levels, but not significantly enough for you to ever notice. The worst part of smoking is gettin the munchies, so as long as you can keep healthy food your doin ok. I wouldnt recommend smoking to anyone, but its acutally one of the better "addictions" to have. I'd say smoking is much more harmless then drinking or smoking cigs....

**mr_min** · 09-19-2006, 11:44 PM

Both marijuana and cigarettes are associated with breaks in the DNA of sperm. The more you smoke, whether it is marijuana or tobacco, the more DNA breaks occur. The effect does not seem to be greater with marijuana. However, marijuana is metabolized in the liver, and unlike tobacco, it can affect the liver over the long term in such a way as to increase estrogen levels. Higher estrogen levels in males can increase the risk of abnormal sperm counts or motility. If your semen analysis is normal, this is not likely an issue.
I would strongly recommend antioxidants to any male smoker, regardless of which weed they wish to inhale. Both tobacco and marijuana can lower the antioxidant potential of the seminal fluid, which can adversely affect the sperm.

found this quick response to smoking...

**mr_min** · 09-19-2006, 11:46 PM

What effect does marijuana have on the body?

Short-term effects:

Euphoria (feeling high).
Impaired or reduced short-term memory -- the recalling of verbal or graphic material is adversely affected.
Altered perception of space and time.
Increased muscular relaxation.
Enhancement of sensory perception.
Sleepiness.
Loss of the ability to concentrate.
Paranoia.
Hallucinations.
Decreased social inhibitions.
Diminished ability to perform psychomotor tasks (e.g., driving).
Loss of coordination.
Decrease pain sensation.
Coughing.
Increased heart rate.
Increased systolic blood pressure.
Bronchodilation (widening of airway tubes that carry air to the lungs).
Decreased pressure inside the eye.
Increased appetite.
Bloodshot eyes.
Dry mouth and throat.
Increased thirst.
Hoarseness.
Increased risk of injuries and accidents.
May increase psychotic episodes in those prone to psychosis (such as in schizophrenics).

Long-term effects:

When smoked, marijuana contains chemicals such as carbon monoxide, nitrosamines, and benzopyrene. Since it is often unfiltered and held for long periods of time, it may lead to serious respiratory problems such as mild airway obstruction, pre-cancerous changes, laryngitis and bronchitis, as well as lung and neck cancer.

Decrease in testosterone levels in men, including the slowing of sperm motility and lower sperm counts.

Increase in testosterone levels for women, with an increased risk of infertility. It also decreases estrogen production, and causes menstrual or ovulatory irregularities.

Marijuana crosses the placental barrier, so use during pregnancy is not recommended, and may have adverse effects.

Decrease sexual libido or pleasure.

Impairment of the immune system (a system that defends the body against infections and cancers). It may, however, have effects on diseases where there is an abnormal overactive immune response (autoimmune diseases), such as multiple sclerosis. Further research in this area is needed.

Psychological dependence develops.

In chronic users, there is a condition called Amotivational Syndrome, which describes a loss of ambition and indifference or passivity towards achieving and realizing goals.

Tolerance and dependence to a drug develops. More and more of the drug is then necessary to achieve the same results. Stopping the drug may even be associated with symptoms of withdrawal. The symptoms of withdrawal start about 10-12 hours after the last time of use, and peaks within 2 days, usually ending by the fifth day. This may include irritability, restlessness, nervousness, insomnia, tremors, increased REM sleep, decreased appetite and fever.

Marijuana can contain fungal spores (aspergillus) that may cause severe "opportunists" infections in those with a weakened immune system due to medications or illnesses (cancer, AIDS, chemotherapy or steroid therapy).

Delta 9-THC-induced cell death with a shrinkage of the neurons, as well as DNA fragmentation in the area of the hippocampus.

BiGgYmRaT · 09-19-2006, 11:57 PM

Great post! lots of good info, although I would disagree with some of it, but 90% of it is very true! I'd rep ya, but it wouldnt do any good

yazf909 · 09-20-2006, 12:09 AM

well i smoke all day lately and i been eating good chicken salad, tuna, and for a snack some dry total, i get sleepy but if i smoke at the right times in the day and watch what i eat i can work out just as good as normal

navarone · 09-20-2006, 03:30 PM

The only thing i can see it doing is making you hungrier for cheezes! And since your hell bent on eating no fat,... it may become a problem lol

**DJSTARER** · 09-20-2006, 05:06 PM

i smoke maybe once or twice per month. It's a great way to get messed up without having to drink OH.

yazf909 · 09-21-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by navarone

The only thing i can see it doing is making you hungrier for cheezes! And since your hell bent on eating no fat,... it may become a problem lol

mmm cheese it i miss thos soo much but none for me ty

**powerman2000** · 09-25-2006, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJSTARER

i smoke maybe once or twice per month. It's a great way to get messed up without having to drink OH.

Say it ain't so!

I'm so disappointed.

You crazy college kidz. :peace:

miezimau · 09-25-2006, 01:18 PM

why smoke weed and then try acting like you care about your body?
If you are careless enough to smoke weed then why bother eating healthy and exercising? Sorry I just don't get it.

comfortable_pants · 09-25-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_min

Both marijuana and cigarettes are associated with breaks in the DNA of sperm. The more you smoke, whether it is marijuana or tobacco, the more DNA breaks occur. The effect does not seem to be greater with marijuana. However, marijuana is metabolized in the liver, and unlike tobacco, it can affect the liver over the long term in such a way as to increase estrogen levels. Higher estrogen levels in males can increase the risk of abnormal sperm counts or motility. If your semen analysis is normal, this is not likely an issue.
I would strongly recommend antioxidants to any male smoker, regardless of which weed they wish to inhale. Both tobacco and marijuana can lower the antioxidant potential of the seminal fluid, which can adversely affect the sperm.

found this quick response to smoking...

so weed could make me infertile? sweeeeeeet

**DJSTARER** · 09-25-2006, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miezimau

why smoke weed and then try acting like you care about your body?
If you are careless enough to smoke weed then why bother eating healthy and exercising? Sorry I just don't get it.

it's okay to care about more than just your body. Life is about moderation. It doesn't always have to be 100% in 1 direction or the other. When people as for diet advice, I tell them things I know they can handle and maintain. Small changes are better than no changes, and if smoking once in a while is your vice... there are much MUCH worse habbits out there. Eating OH, Hard drugs, chronic smoking, unprotected sex, self mutilation... these are all things that are bad, but leave much to be delighted in the "moderation" department.

yazf909 · 09-25-2006, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJSTARER

it's okay to care about more than just your body. Life is about moderation. It doesn't always have to be 100% in 1 direction or the other. When people as for diet advice, I tell them things I know they can handle and maintain. Small changes are better than no changes, and if smoking once in a while is your vice... there are much MUCH worse habbits out there. Eating OH, Hard drugs, chronic smoking, unprotected sex, self mutilation... these are all things that are bad, but leave much to be delighted in the "moderation" department.

i agree completly, plus i usually smoke only after work out at night to let my muscles relax and so i can sleep easier, and obviously we care about are bodies other wise we wouldnt be workin out and eating a strict diet right

**mr_min** · 09-25-2006, 11:34 PM

ive always heard/read that smoking weed daily will increase estrogen and has the potential to cause gyno.

my above statement will be researched by me to either prove or disprove my thoughts.

i used to be a casual weed smoker, when i say casul, 2-3 times every month or 2. never really did anything for me.

BiGgYmRaT · 09-26-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by miezimau

why smoke weed and then try acting like you care about your body?
If you are careless enough to smoke weed then why bother eating healthy and exercising? Sorry I just don't get it.

Thats like sayin why workout if you are gonna drink, or smoke cigs, or take pain killers, or even eat crappy food. Like DJ said, its about moderation! Smokin a little weed here and there isnt gonna do a whole lot of harm to your body. Its legal in just about every country around the world....just cause its illegal here doesnt mean its gonna kill you.

**DJSTARER** · 09-26-2006, 02:28 AM

Estrogen production is increased... but the same happens at the end of a PH cycle. Things, when done correctly and in moderation, are almost always fine.

09-19-2006, 12:45 AM	#1
yazf909 Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 340 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	weed???? i used to smoke weed allot like every day for a year, i got lazy so i stopped and picked up a dumbell instead, but now im back to smoking some times i wanna know how bad it could be i heard about allot of top body builders smoked weed during training and even at competions (arnold), if i smoke like in the moring and eat strict diet of protien and carbs, and still work out at night is it still gonna mess up my results?:confused2:

09-19-2006, 12:57 AM	#2
Jordan×core Pro Stature Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 851 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 31	Only thing I can think of right now is it would mess you up on your cardio since the tar in your lungs is being built up. __________________ How did I fail women studies? I love bitches. If there is no enemy there is no fight...if there is no fight there is no victor...if there is no victor there is no crown.....now we have a enemy we have a fight and we will win the crown.

09-19-2006, 11:31 PM	#4
BiGgYmRaT Pro Stature Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WA Posts: 115 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	It doesnt build up tar in your lungs, at least not in the same way cigs do. It only affects the lower 10% of your lungs. Weeds actaully an expectorant which means it helps losen up junk in your lungs so you can cough it up. I know many great athletes with good lungs who smoke. They say that Weed can lower T levels, but not significantly enough for you to ever notice. The worst part of smoking is gettin the munchies, so as long as you can keep healthy food your doin ok. I wouldnt recommend smoking to anyone, but its acutally one of the better "addictions" to have. I'd say smoking is much more harmless then drinking or smoking cigs.... __________________ Proud Member of the Quarter Ton Deadlift Club Powerbuilders dont sweat...WE BLEED! Pain is weakness leaving the body! Work Hard Play Hard! Go Heavy or Go Home!

09-19-2006, 11:44 PM	#5
mr_min IronMass Vip Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: connecticut Posts: 503 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	Both marijuana and cigarettes are associated with breaks in the DNA of sperm. The more you smoke, whether it is marijuana or tobacco, the more DNA breaks occur. The effect does not seem to be greater with marijuana. However, marijuana is metabolized in the liver, and unlike tobacco, it can affect the liver over the long term in such a way as to increase estrogen levels. Higher estrogen levels in males can increase the risk of abnormal sperm counts or motility. If your semen analysis is normal, this is not likely an issue. I would strongly recommend antioxidants to any male smoker, regardless of which weed they wish to inhale. Both tobacco and marijuana can lower the antioxidant potential of the seminal fluid, which can adversely affect the sperm. found this quick response to smoking... Last edited by mr_min : 09-20-2006 at 12:42 AM.

09-19-2006, 11:57 PM	#7
BiGgYmRaT Pro Stature Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WA Posts: 115 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	Great post! lots of good info, although I would disagree with some of it, but 90% of it is very true! I'd rep ya, but it wouldnt do any good __________________ Proud Member of the Quarter Ton Deadlift Club Powerbuilders dont sweat...WE BLEED! Pain is weakness leaving the body! Work Hard Play Hard! Go Heavy or Go Home!

09-19-2006, 12:59 AM	#3
Drew1200 Perma-Bulk to 280 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 779 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 73	I don't smoke anymore, but used to in college probably 4-5 times a day. never affected my gains... as long as you don't let that lack of motivation get to you I always thought it was kind of a good thing though, I'd always smoke down on a friday night and it'd keep me from going out with my friends, drinking tons of beer, eating crappy food at 3 in the mroning, etc. I wouldnt say weed is healthy for you by any means but for me, at that particular point in my life, the benefits definitely outweighed the negatives.

09-19-2006, 11:46 PM	#6
mr_min IronMass Vip Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: connecticut Posts: 503 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	What effect does marijuana have on the body? Short-term effects: Euphoria (feeling high). Impaired or reduced short-term memory -- the recalling of verbal or graphic material is adversely affected. Altered perception of space and time. Increased muscular relaxation. Enhancement of sensory perception. Sleepiness. Loss of the ability to concentrate. Paranoia. Hallucinations. Decreased social inhibitions. Diminished ability to perform psychomotor tasks (e.g., driving). Loss of coordination. Decrease pain sensation. Coughing. Increased heart rate. Increased systolic blood pressure. Bronchodilation (widening of airway tubes that carry air to the lungs). Decreased pressure inside the eye. Increased appetite. Bloodshot eyes. Dry mouth and throat. Increased thirst. Hoarseness. Increased risk of injuries and accidents. May increase psychotic episodes in those prone to psychosis (such as in schizophrenics). Long-term effects: When smoked, marijuana contains chemicals such as carbon monoxide, nitrosamines, and benzopyrene. Since it is often unfiltered and held for long periods of time, it may lead to serious respiratory problems such as mild airway obstruction, pre-cancerous changes, laryngitis and bronchitis, as well as lung and neck cancer. *Decrease in testosterone* levels in men, including the slowing of sperm motility and lower sperm counts. *Increase in testosterone* levels for women, with an increased risk of infertility. It also decreases estrogen production, and causes menstrual or ovulatory irregularities. Marijuana crosses the placental barrier, so use during pregnancy is not recommended, and may have adverse effects. *Decrease* sexual libido or pleasure. Impairment of the immune system (a system that defends the body against infections and cancers). It may, however, have effects on diseases where there is an abnormal overactive immune response (autoimmune diseases), such as multiple sclerosis. Further research in this area is needed. Psychological dependence develops. In chronic users, there is a condition called Amotivational Syndrome, which describes a loss of ambition and indifference or passivity towards achieving and realizing goals. Tolerance and dependence to a drug develops. More and more of the drug is then necessary to achieve the same results. Stopping the drug may even be associated with symptoms of withdrawal. The symptoms of withdrawal start about 10-12 hours after the last time of use, and peaks within 2 days, usually ending by the fifth day. This may include irritability, restlessness, nervousness, insomnia, tremors, increased REM sleep, decreased appetite and fever. Marijuana can contain fungal spores (aspergillus) that may cause severe "opportunists" infections in those with a weakened immune system due to medications or illnesses (cancer, AIDS, chemotherapy or steroid therapy). Delta 9-THC-induced cell death with a shrinkage of the neurons, as well as DNA fragmentation in the area of the hippocampus.

09-20-2006, 12:09 AM	#8
yazf909 Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 340 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	well i smoke all day lately and i been eating good chicken salad, tuna, and for a snack some dry total, i get sleepy but if i smoke at the right times in the day and watch what i eat i can work out just as good as normal

09-20-2006, 03:30 PM	#9
navarone Pro Stature Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 930 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 50	The only thing i can see it doing is making you hungrier for cheezes! And since your hell bent on eating no fat,... it may become a problem lol __________________ Obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated Stats: Weight: Between 200-205 depending on the day Bench: 265X5 atm. Squat: 360X5 atm.. Higest Ever 435 Deadlift: 420X3 Waist: 34 Arms: 17.5 cold . Pics Finally! http://www.ironmass.com/f16/nav-s-1-...ulk-12947.html

09-20-2006, 05:06 PM	#10
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,050 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 114	i smoke maybe once or twice per month. It's a great way to get messed up without having to drink OH. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

09-25-2006, 01:18 PM	#13
miezimau IMPC Contestant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: at home Posts: 473 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 10	why smoke weed and then try acting like you care about your body? If you are careless enough to smoke weed then why bother eating healthy and exercising? Sorry I just don't get it. __________________ Opportunity Some People dream of Success..While others wake up and work hard at it.

09-25-2006, 11:34 PM	#17
mr_min IronMass Vip Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: connecticut Posts: 503 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	ive always heard/read that smoking weed daily will increase estrogen and has the potential to cause gyno. my above statement will be researched by me to either prove or disprove my thoughts. i used to be a casual weed smoker, when i say casul, 2-3 times every month or 2. never really did anything for me.

09-26-2006, 02:28 AM	#19
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,050 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 114	Estrogen production is increased... but the same happens at the end of a PH cycle. Things, when done correctly and in moderation, are almost always fine. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition