I'm taking some time off from lifting/fitness... - Page 2

EzyRyder · 11-23-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

All I know is the problems that I have had were usually solved by someone telling me I was a **** up or had ****ed up or needed to change certain things around. I was pissed at first but looking back I thanked them much more than the ones who just nodded along and just shrugged and said "you'll be fine" or "Don't worry man, have a good one!"

Werd

**madman911** · 11-23-2006, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Grunt76

No one here seems to acknowledge the fact that one of the most obvious symptoms of overtraining is lack of drive, as well as lack of results?

Skelooth is overtrained. He was bitten by the iron bug real good. Let him take his time off and come back at it with earth-shaking dedication, as he has done before.

I have to agree with Jayhawkk that it seems Skel's problem is more in the mind and less in the body. Real, clinical overtraining is extremely rare. Unless you're working a bodypart multiple times a week and taking every set to failure, overtraining shouldn't be an issue. If your lifts aren't going up, deload.

Most people I know who "take a break from the gym" don't go back until they go "holy shit, I've gotten completely out of shape again".

**skelooth** · 11-24-2006, 09:44 PM

That's not to say my body doesn't need a break. My knees have been in intense pain lately. It feels like my knee caps are going to pop off. My lower back is also killing me lately. Obviously those two things put together make it difficult to squat so it's not surprisingly it's come down so dramatically. My body is not transitioning nicely to the lifestyle I live at school, which calls for ridiculous amounts of walking and stair climbing, coupled with sitting in desks and computers chairs with bad form all day. Yeah yeah yeah "It's your own fault Patrick, you're being a bitch". Well, stfu, because you're not me, nor do you know my life. Yeah there is an abundance of "personal" information about me on the boards, but I can assure you it is only a very small fraction of the greater whole. Basically, my body just feels like it's falling apart the past few weeks.

I can't say I feel much better physically from not lifting. In fact I think I'm starting to get quite lethargic. The little flame is still burning that makes me want to do some cardio, but I'm going to do my best to wait until I have a) My homework situation under control, b) my income situation undercontrol, and c) my achey back and knees start to feel better.

Dropping a wooden table on the arch of my foot yesterday doesn't really help matters

When I come back to the game, I want to go much more serious on the cardio. I'm thinking of getting a cheap exercise bike for my room at school.

**Ikaika** · 11-24-2006, 09:52 PM

you can get exercise bikes and rowing machines for super cheap.

I still think your PCT is partly to blame for how you're feeling. You gotten that bloodwork done yet or what?

DJohnson · 11-25-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by skelooth

a) My homework situation under control, b) my income situation undercontrol

I agree with the time off, but while you're at school, these will NEVER be under control. Once you're all pumped from the gym again you'll find a way to squeeze it in, hectic life or not.

Psychoholic · 11-25-2006, 03:59 AM

Skel, bro, do whatever it is that you need to do.

I do have a tendency to agree with JayHawkk on a bunch of what he said, but in the end it is your decision and yours alone and no amount of prodding from folks on the dozen bodybuilding sites you frequent is going to change that.

About the only wisdom that I can offer you that is worth a damn is to just try and be happy. It really is an incredibly difficult concept to get, but once you get it and learn it, it really is alot easier than being miserable. In the past 2 or 3 years I've noticed one overriding trend with you and that you are almost always unhappy. You were unhappy and miserable when you were overweight and chicks wouldn't talk to you, you were miserable when you were in shape and wouldn't pursue the girls that showed interest in you, you were miserable and unhappy with your school schedule, your workout schedule, your gains in the gym, your losses in the gym, on the sauce fat gain, off the sauce strength loss, etc... Maybe the problem is that you actually don't know what it is like to be happy, and that you have been unhappy for so long that you don't know any other way to be?

And before you jump on my case about being on antidepressants and any other mental issue of bipolar or manic depressive, I get that point ahead of time. I also know at least a dozen people that have mental 'issues' and are prescribed drugs that only got worse because they then had a crutch that they subconsciously propped themselves up on and as soon as they felt that they weren't having fun it was because of their 'illness'. 3 of those folks quit taking drugs and started working on it on their own and are much better off (ala fairly stable and balanced folks who have a good time). We all have problems, and there are a dozen medications out there for all of them, but the key is to acknowledge what is the problem and mentally conquer it and give it no power to rule you. Work on that, and everything else will fall into place.

Chris (Psychoholic)

**skelooth** · 11-25-2006, 04:10 AM

That was deep brother. You could be on to something, but I'll be damned if I have to admit that I'm just a miserable bastard

**romanaz** · 11-25-2006, 04:17 AM

skel, you and I both know we are miserable assholes.

**DJSTARER** · 11-25-2006, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by madman911

Real, clinical overtraining is extremely rare. Unless you're working a bodypart multiple times a week and taking every set to failure, overtraining shouldn't be an issue. If your lifts aren't going up, deload.

um....

i don't know. I believe overtraining is a common overdiagnosis, but it is certainly possible. ESPECIALLY the way he eats.

Skel, you're my keto neato

**skelooth** · 11-25-2006, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by romanaz

skel, you and I both know we are miserable assholes.

LIES! We are happy!

<~~~ See!!!

*continues living the lies*

lol

**skelooth** · 11-25-2006, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

um....

i don't know. I believe overtraining is a common overdiagnosis, but it is certainly possible. ESPECIALLY the way he eats.

Skel, you're my keto neato

You know... I can't mentally cut w/o cutting back on carbs anymore. It's gone from a "Different way of cutting" to .... a mental block towards carbs, lol. All I know is that I saw the best and fastest results of my LIFE the first time I did keto. No drugs, no "extra" cardio. Just.... keto!

**romanaz** · 11-25-2006, 04:39 AM

dude, I'm cutting back carbs, but I'm not going all out 10g a day dude! a body can't keep going w/o carbs! we are designed to need carbs! bro, do like 100-120g a day like I've been doing, its been working for me.

**madman911** · 11-25-2006, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DJohnson

I agree with the time off, but while you're at school, these will NEVER be under control. Once you're all pumped from the gym again you'll find a way to squeeze it in, hectic life or not.

Amen, bro. You can't expect life to get any less hectic, ever. My schedule over the last 3 months of contest prep was ridiculous. I don't discuss my personal ordeals and situations, but believe me when I say I can hold my own on the hectic scale with just about anybody. The only thing that got me through it was my drive and motivation. My body and mind were both on the verge of breaking down at various times and I just fought through it.

**skelooth** · 11-25-2006, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by romanaz

dude, I'm cutting back carbs, but I'm not going all out 10g a day dude! a body can't keep going w/o carbs! we are designed to need carbs! bro, do like 100-120g a day like I've been doing, its been working for me.

How about I live off of olive oil and bacon?

**romanaz** · 11-25-2006, 05:07 AM

sounds good

11-24-2006, 09:44 PM	#33
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,202 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	That's not to say my body doesn't need a break. My knees have been in intense pain lately. It feels like my knee caps are going to pop off. My lower back is also killing me lately. Obviously those two things put together make it difficult to squat so it's not surprisingly it's come down so dramatically. My body is not transitioning nicely to the lifestyle I live at school, which calls for ridiculous amounts of walking and stair climbing, coupled with sitting in desks and computers chairs with bad form all day. Yeah yeah yeah "It's your own fault Patrick, you're being a bitch". Well, stfu, because you're not me, nor do you know my life. Yeah there is an abundance of "personal" information about me on the boards, but I can assure you it is only a very small fraction of the greater whole. Basically, my body just feels like it's falling apart the past few weeks. I can't say I feel much better physically from not lifting. In fact I think I'm starting to get quite lethargic. The little flame is still burning that makes me want to do some cardio, but I'm going to do my best to wait until I have a) My homework situation under control, b) my income situation undercontrol, and c) my achey back and knees start to feel better. Dropping a wooden table on the arch of my foot yesterday doesn't really help matters When I come back to the game, I want to go much more serious on the cardio. I'm thinking of getting a cheap exercise bike for my room at school. __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

11-24-2006, 09:52 PM	#34
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,771 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 216	you can get exercise bikes and rowing machines for super cheap. I still think your PCT is partly to blame for how you're feeling. You gotten that bloodwork done yet or what? __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

11-25-2006, 03:59 AM	#36
Psychoholic IronMass Donator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 573 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 21	Skel, bro, do whatever it is that you need to do. I do have a tendency to agree with JayHawkk on a bunch of what he said, but in the end it is your decision and yours alone and no amount of prodding from folks on the dozen bodybuilding sites you frequent is going to change that. About the only wisdom that I can offer you that is worth a damn is to just try and be happy. It really is an incredibly difficult concept to get, but once you get it and learn it, it really is alot easier than being miserable. In the past 2 or 3 years I've noticed one overriding trend with you and that you are almost always unhappy. You were unhappy and miserable when you were overweight and chicks wouldn't talk to you, you were miserable when you were in shape and wouldn't pursue the girls that showed interest in you, you were miserable and unhappy with your school schedule, your workout schedule, your gains in the gym, your losses in the gym, on the sauce fat gain, off the sauce strength loss, etc... Maybe the problem is that you actually don't know what it is like to be happy, and that you have been unhappy for so long that you don't know any other way to be? And before you jump on my case about being on antidepressants and any other mental issue of bipolar or manic depressive, I get that point ahead of time. I also know at least a dozen people that have mental 'issues' and are prescribed drugs that only got worse because they then had a crutch that they subconsciously propped themselves up on and as soon as they felt that they weren't having fun it was because of their 'illness'. 3 of those folks quit taking drugs and started working on it on their own and are much better off (ala fairly stable and balanced folks who have a good time). We all have problems, and there are a dozen medications out there for all of them, but the key is to acknowledge what is the problem and mentally conquer it and give it no power to rule you. Work on that, and everything else will fall into place. Chris (Psychoholic) __________________ My IMPC Log: http://www.ironmass.com/f37/psychoho...log-13160.html

11-25-2006, 04:10 AM	#37
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,202 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	That was deep brother. You could be on to something, but I'll be damned if I have to admit that I'm just a miserable bastard __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

11-25-2006, 06:08 AM	#46
Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44