HOCKEY TEAM PLYO vs. SPEED and the CONJUGATE METHOD

**DJSTARER** · 01-13-2007, 08:44 PM

On fridays, our team's ME lower day, the hockey team's training hours overlap with ours in the gym. Their workouts on that day include some plyometric work, agility training, and bench press. They also do their long jumps measurements (from a stationary position). After watching them lay out the measuring tape and having everyone on their team do them, i found it humoring. Of course, it was the first time I had ever really seen anyone do it live... so I didn't know what was "good" or "average." Most of the players were measuring a leap of about 80-90 inches. After we were done our working and the hockey team had left, I asked some of the guys if they wanted to do it with me. Of course, as they were also very humored by the display put on by the hockey team earlier, they came over to the other side of the gym with me. I went first.... 88. I was happy. I though I'd embarass myself... thinking the hockey players would be acceptional at it. Then our 198 went.... 95. Followed by dan, our 220.... 103. Last went Corey, our 275+ (330 to be exact).... 121 inches.

So what is the deal? Why are we better at it then the hockey players? Are should they be training conjugate? I mean... plyometric work is proven, but maybe their lower body resistance training... if there is any in their routine, is less than optimal. Why is it that division 1 teams are training using less than optimal strategies. I mean, WTF. Does it ever occur to them WHY our 198lb guy squats 200lbs more than their 198lb guy? Granted, we train to have a strong squat... but with the strong squat comes a strong leap... and with strong leaps comes more explosive skating....

**romanaz** · 01-13-2007, 09:37 PM

is there any hockey players who are above 198? if so I would guess them being lighter then your 220, and 275+ guys and having less muscle to work with would lead them to lower jumps.

**BigZeke** · 01-13-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by romanaz

is there any hockey players who are above 198?

Quite a few at the pro level.

**romanaz** · 01-13-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigZeke

Quite a few at the pro level.

yeah, but he is talking about his college's team, not a pro player, who would have considerably more years under his belt and more musculature.

**DJSTARER** · 01-13-2007, 10:28 PM

you are right. i never thought about it that way.... but at the same time... the 275 lber has a ton more weight to move.

**BigZeke** · 01-13-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

you are right. i never thought about it that way.... but at the same time... the 275 lber has a ton more weight to move.

Long jump is all about leg power. Most hockey players train legs with higher reps and for speed. I'm willing to bet the 330lb guy squats more than 2 of the players combined.

A lot of teams/schools don't have very good training programs for players. At the pro level, a majority do use O lifts however.

**DJSTARER** · 01-13-2007, 10:51 PM

**NYCmitch25** · 01-13-2007, 10:51 PM

I played D-1 hockey & football... some of them were god dam linebackers on skates.

**DJSTARER** · 01-13-2007, 10:52 PM

i was hoping you'd chime in BIGZ. ur one of the few publicly pronounced hockey players on the board

**BigZeke** · 01-14-2007, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NYCmitch25

I played D-1 hockey & football... some of them were god dam linebackers on skates.

Is that a Synergy?

DB15 · 01-15-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCmitch25

I played D-1 hockey & football... some of them were god dam linebackers on skates.

I highly doubt that

**NYCmitch25** · 01-16-2007, 12:30 AM

guy a played with was both smart ass ... god dam know it all

DB15 · 01-16-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCmitch25

guy a played with was both smart ass ... god dam know it all

thats what Im refering to dickhead

**DJSTARER** · 01-16-2007, 11:50 PM

it's getting hot in here

El Capitan · 01-17-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

it's getting hot in here so take off all your clothes

EC

**DJSTARER** · 01-18-2007, 03:25 AM

lol. nice

01-13-2007, 08:44 PM	#1
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,983 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	HOCKEY TEAM PLYO vs. SPEED and the CONJUGATE METHOD On fridays, our team's ME lower day, the hockey team's training hours overlap with ours in the gym. Their workouts on that day include some plyometric work, agility training, and bench press. They also do their long jumps measurements (from a stationary position). After watching them lay out the measuring tape and having everyone on their team do them, i found it humoring. Of course, it was the first time I had ever really seen anyone do it live... so I didn't know what was "good" or "average." Most of the players were measuring a leap of about 80-90 inches. After we were done our working and the hockey team had left, I asked some of the guys if they wanted to do it with me. Of course, as they were also very humored by the display put on by the hockey team earlier, they came over to the other side of the gym with me. I went first.... 88. I was happy. I though I'd embarass myself... thinking the hockey players would be acceptional at it. Then our 198 went.... 95. Followed by dan, our 220.... 103. Last went Corey, our 275+ (330 to be exact).... 121 inches. So what is the deal? Why are we better at it then the hockey players? Are should they be training conjugate? I mean... plyometric work is proven, but maybe their lower body resistance training... if there is any in their routine, is less than optimal. Why is it that division 1 teams are training using less than optimal strategies. I mean, WTF. Does it ever occur to them WHY our 198lb guy squats 200lbs more than their 198lb guy? Granted, we train to have a strong squat... but with the strong squat comes a strong leap... and with strong leaps comes more explosive skating.... __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

01-13-2007, 10:28 PM	#5
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,983 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	you are right. i never thought about it that way.... but at the same time... the 275 lber has a ton more weight to move. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

01-13-2007, 10:51 PM	#7
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,983 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	word __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

01-13-2007, 10:51 PM	#8
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,088 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 49	I played D-1 hockey & football... some of them were god dam linebackers on skates. __________________ "I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." - Rollins

01-13-2007, 10:52 PM	#9
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,983 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	i was hoping you'd chime in BIGZ. ur one of the few publicly pronounced hockey players on the board __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

01-16-2007, 12:30 AM	#12
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,088 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 49	guy a played with was both smart ass ... god dam know it all __________________ "I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." - Rollins

01-16-2007, 11:50 PM	#14
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,983 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	it's getting hot in here __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

01-18-2007, 03:25 AM	#16
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,983 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	lol. nice __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

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