Pro BBers in RAW benching...

JournalistBT · 05-03-2005, 12:46 AM

I have read a lot of post wondering about how pro bodybuilders would do in a RAW bench contest. Names that come up include Greg Kovaks, Ruhl, Coleman etc. From witness of other great powerbuilders (who compete both bodybuilding and powerlifting) have constantly seen bodybuilders that can hit 505 for almost 10 reps on the bench press, then they get smashed by 600 for 1! We have to remember that 1 rep and strength is different and this is continued to be seen everyday. Strength is different, bodybuilders don't have the CNS training that powerlifters have. My 750 bencher friend, saw a guy at world gym, that could sling 405 around for 10 easy reps, but he cant bench 550! Bodybuilders have a certain make up of muscle that allows them to genetically get huge, and rep big weight, but central nervous system can pop a bigger one rep max! On the other hand, maybe the top RAW benchers in powerlifting couldn't rep 405 as many times as the strongest bodybuilders, but again they have a higher 1 rep max.

I also read a story about George Halbert competing in a one rep over head press off the racks again a big bodybuilder, (sorry forgot the name). Well, the bodybuilder I believe did 315 for 8 and George only could do it for 5. However, as they put 365 on, George did it for easy singles and had more in him, but the huge bodybuilder didn't have the CNS or tendon strength to move it.

So maybe this will answer some of your questions about the "TOP BODYBUILDER FANTASY, against the TOP POWERLIFTERS". However, if we changed the competition to reps instead of singles, then who knows what would happen? I think the pro bbers would beat all the gear users to be honest for the exception of Kennelly and Mendy. Again, I might be wrong, but that is my prediction.

**Sholiz** · 05-03-2005, 12:58 AM

When you refer to CNS training, what exactally do you mean?

**warriors** · 05-03-2005, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sholiz

When you refer to CNS training, what exactally do you mean?

I think he means that PLers have a better CNS than bbers b/c of the poundages Plers use when training.

JournalistBT · 05-03-2005, 02:11 PM

CNS means (Central Nervous System training). We have to remember that powerlifters train differently than bodybuilders and all their training is geared towards a 1 rep max. Therefore, according to Lou Simmons, the Soviets, Russians, etc, etc, the main focus of the powerlifter is to train the central nervous system, as bodybuilders put their priority on muscle hypertrophy, therefore the bodybuilder won't have the MAXIMUM EFFORT strength for a single that the top powerlifter would have.

Powerlifters use different techniques in the bench press and they have a purpose to get stronger throughout the range of motion. Powerlifters who train the bench are using bands, boards, speed days, maximum effort days, etc. etc (which we will discuss more about later, in an article or/and another post), however, these techniques allow the powerlifter to get stronger for a 1 max rep. The powerlifter also has more tendon strength (reps 1-3) than the bodybuilder since the bodybuilder is soo focused on hypertrophy and asthetic appearance. As the bodybuilder might develop amazing slow twitch fibers, hypertrophy and the sarcoplasmic muscle fiber, they really need to train like the top RAW benching powerlifters to be one of them. Yes, Ronnie Coleman, etc, etc, trains through Diesil, but still he nor Jackson, etc, train to be the strongest of the strong........Else, they would be entering the IPF world bench championship, the WORLDS STRONGEST MAN, etc.

Seriously, though, if a bodybuilder could set a record they would. As we hear bodybuilders performing REPS with lots of weight, we dont hear top single maxes because of the reasons I explained in my opening post. With powerlifters usually they couldnt care about a 6 rep max... So if you want to see bodybuilders SUCCEED, as far as function, strength is concerned... The question shouldn't be "Who is the strongest for 1 rep", but who is the strongest for 10 repss... And then we would see a lot more bodybuilders doing strength shows.

Ben

**warriors** · 05-04-2005, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Khan

Have to love how thorough your posts are man. Definitely a tool to learn off of. Keep up the good work.

yea really. no wonder he dont stay on the forums very much b/c it takes him a whole day to type out one post

Master Of Puppets · 05-04-2005, 11:52 AM

One word... wow.

05-03-2005, 12:46 AM	#1
JournalistBT New Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 19 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Pro BBers in RAW benching... I have read a lot of post wondering about how pro bodybuilders would do in a RAW bench contest. Names that come up include Greg Kovaks, Ruhl, Coleman etc. From witness of other great powerbuilders (who compete both bodybuilding and powerlifting) have constantly seen bodybuilders that can hit 505 for almost 10 reps on the bench press, then they get smashed by 600 for 1! We have to remember that 1 rep and strength is different and this is continued to be seen everyday. Strength is different, bodybuilders don't have the CNS training that powerlifters have. My 750 bencher friend, saw a guy at world gym, that could sling 405 around for 10 easy reps, but he cant bench 550! Bodybuilders have a certain make up of muscle that allows them to genetically get huge, and rep big weight, but central nervous system can pop a bigger one rep max! On the other hand, maybe the top RAW benchers in powerlifting couldn't rep 405 as many times as the strongest bodybuilders, but again they have a higher 1 rep max. I also read a story about George Halbert competing in a one rep over head press off the racks again a big bodybuilder, (sorry forgot the name). Well, the bodybuilder I believe did 315 for 8 and George only could do it for 5. However, as they put 365 on, George did it for easy singles and had more in him, but the huge bodybuilder didn't have the CNS or tendon strength to move it. So maybe this will answer some of your questions about the "TOP BODYBUILDER FANTASY, against the TOP POWERLIFTERS". However, if we changed the competition to reps instead of singles, then who knows what would happen? I think the pro bbers would beat all the gear users to be honest for the exception of Kennelly and Mendy. Again, I might be wrong, but that is my prediction.

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05-03-2005, 02:11 PM	#4
JournalistBT New Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 19 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	CNS means (Central Nervous System training). We have to remember that powerlifters train differently than bodybuilders and all their training is geared towards a 1 rep max. Therefore, according to Lou Simmons, the Soviets, Russians, etc, etc, the main focus of the powerlifter is to train the central nervous system, as bodybuilders put their priority on muscle hypertrophy, therefore the bodybuilder won't have the MAXIMUM EFFORT strength for a single that the top powerlifter would have. Powerlifters use different techniques in the bench press and they have a purpose to get stronger throughout the range of motion. Powerlifters who train the bench are using bands, boards, speed days, maximum effort days, etc. etc (which we will discuss more about later, in an article or/and another post), however, these techniques allow the powerlifter to get stronger for a 1 max rep. The powerlifter also has more tendon strength (reps 1-3) than the bodybuilder since the bodybuilder is soo focused on hypertrophy and asthetic appearance. As the bodybuilder might develop amazing slow twitch fibers, hypertrophy and the sarcoplasmic muscle fiber, they really need to train like the top RAW benching powerlifters to be one of them. Yes, Ronnie Coleman, etc, etc, trains through Diesil, but still he nor Jackson, etc, train to be the strongest of the strong........Else, they would be entering the IPF world bench championship, the WORLDS STRONGEST MAN, etc. Seriously, though, if a bodybuilder could set a record they would. As we hear bodybuilders performing REPS with lots of weight, we dont hear top single maxes because of the reasons I explained in my opening post. With powerlifters usually they couldnt care about a 6 rep max... So if you want to see bodybuilders SUCCEED, as far as function, strength is concerned... The question shouldn't be "Who is the strongest for 1 rep", but who is the strongest for 10 repss... And then we would see a lot more bodybuilders doing strength shows. Ben