Small complaint: pulling text/info from other sites

ZackMurphy · 10-30-2005, 11:53 PM

Was reading the "How To Increase Compound Exercises" thread, on which I had posted, and this occurred to me. On that thread, Peaked_18 was looking for feedback on something, but it turned into a platform for him to post something Dave Tate wrote about increasing the basic PL lifts. It's great info, but just copy/pasting it on here seemed like a waste of talent.

I say this not as an insult to Peaked_18 - quite the contrary. I know he has plenty to add to this site, and we don't need him to paste Dave Tate stuff - we can all read Dave Tate stuff any time we want. I want PEAKED to write what HE thinks about all this stuff. But this isn't a complaint about PEAKED_18 (not by a long shot) - more a general observation.

Also was reading a thread started by A.Free Radical in which he was looking for help on something. AFR went on (in that thread) to post up a bunch of links to www.exrx.net, a great site, but all he posted was a bunch of links with his own headings. And this is great - it's very nice, but we immediately started talking "sticky", and it seemed to me to be a waste of a sticky if we did that.

I mean, this site is full of extremely knowledgable people with plenty to say and share, and all we're doing is copying stuff OTHER people created already (and that many of us have seen many times already).

And do we really want to be a site that's just a collection of other people's work? Do we really want to have a bunch of stickies and threads that are just links to OTHER sites? I think we're better/smarter than that.

I swear - I'm not whining about those threads - they're fine, and if they help people, then I'm happy. But I would hate to have all this eTalent on this site just posting up other people's work. Links to old info on other web sites.

Frankly, I'd much rather read what Peaked_18 has to say about it. Ditto on A.FreeRadical.

Anyway, just food for thought.

**Peaked_18** · 10-30-2005, 11:58 PM

LOL You wanna go!?!

Obviously the stuff quoted is quoted for a reason, it was written by Dave. The text above the quote was my information, the information below was how to perform the correct form of the exercise and what have you.

I'll write if you guy's read...

**skelooth** · 10-31-2005, 12:16 AM

:abuse:

**skelooth** · 10-31-2005, 12:17 AM

btw, I do agree with zackmurphy. We should try to keep links to other sites and copy/pastes of other's articles to a minimum. Of course, sometimes it makes SENSE to post links or copy/pastes.

**johnsbod** · 10-31-2005, 12:27 AM

I agree. As much as possible we should try to discuss things amongst ourselves and only resort to posting articles when necessary. Personally, I find it annoying (on any site) to pose a question and have the answer simply be a weblink to another site or thread. Of course we aren't going to ban people from posting articles, but your points are well taken, and it goes without saying that if you post an article by someone else that they should be given proper credit for the article.

ZackMurphy · 10-31-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

LOL You wanna go!?!

Oh, man - it's ON, baby, ON!!!!!

Yeah, anyway, I know you posted Tate's name with the info, and I was glad to see that. I see a couple posts/week on another bb site (which shall remain nameless) where guys don't give credit where it's due. So that's cool.

But that aside, it just seemed like a waste of talent for us (various people on here) to go to other sites and find good articles, just to copy/paste them here.

I would NEVER want someone banned for that. Never. But if someone is doing it constantly, they should get a e-Dope Slap for being so uncreative.

We should write stuff ourselves, talk about topics ourselves, create material where we can, and make this a SOURCE of information, rather than just a repository of other people's work.

Like I said, A.Free Radical and Peaked_18 are quality guys, and it was honestly nothing against them personally.

**johnsbod** · 10-31-2005, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ZackMurphy

I would NEVER want someone banned for that. Never.

I hope that wasn't implied by my post because I wouldn't ban someone for posting an article.

**skelooth** · 10-31-2005, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by johnsbod

I hope that wasn't implied by my post because I wouldn't ban someone for posting an article.

I would.

ZackMurphy · 10-31-2005, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by johnsbod

I hope that wasn't implied by my post because I wouldn't ban someone for posting an article.

No, but I know how much you want people to respect your authoritaaah.

**johnsbod** · 10-31-2005, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ZackMurphy

No, but I know how much you want people to respect your authoritaaah.

**A.FreeRadical** · 10-31-2005, 02:07 AM

I started a thread wanting to know where there was a comprehensive list of cable exercises. With the help of others, I found what I was looking for but it was not just cable exerices (which is all that I wanted), it was all kinds of exercises. So, I created a fairly complete list of cable exercises and shared them on that thread. It took me several hours to put that together so it would work on this forum. If you guys don't want archival information, I won't post it anymore.

It seems to me that this place should have lots of information about bodybuilding that is easily accessible and useful, not just what happens to be in our heads at one point in time.

Maybe I will start a tread on silly banter. That is my pet peave.

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ZackMurphy · 10-31-2005, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by A.FreeRadical

.....So, I created a fairly complete list of cable exercises and shared them on that thread. It took me several hours to put that together so it would work on this forum. If you guys don't want archival information, I won't post it anymore.

I certainly can't speak for more than just myself, but it's not that I wouldn't WANT archival information - it's just that I wouldn't want this site to be without ORIGINAL information, custom to this site. And it seemed to me that the archival style lets us get lazy.

Again, just to reiterate, since I certainly didn't wish to foster any ill will, this was not intended to be a whine session about that thread. Just the general idea.

**skelooth** · 10-31-2005, 02:23 AM

THat's it, everyone's banned

*starts frantically mashing ban button*

Archival information is fine. I believe the point ZackMurphy was trying to make was that he'd much rather see freshly written material by our members when it is an option. There's nothing wrong with what you posted AFR, and I believe ZackMurphy is talking about "The big picture" and only used those two threads as an example.

**A.FreeRadical** · 10-31-2005, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

THat's it, everyone's banned

*starts frantically mashing ban button*

Archival information is fine. I believe the point ZackMurphy was trying to make was that he'd much rather see freshly written material by our members when it is an option. There's nothing wrong with what you posted AFR, and I believe ZackMurphy is talking about "The big picture" and only used those two threads as an example.

I am not upset. I have done original writing here and I have done cut and paste where I thought it was something someone else could use. Sure, I think it would be great if everything here was original to this site, but let's face it, everyone here is not a writer. Some of us just like to lift big ass weight and talk about how to lift more of it.

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ZackMurphy · 10-31-2005, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

Archival information is fine. I believe the point ZackMurphy was trying to make was that he'd much rather see freshly written material by our members when it is an option. There's nothing wrong with what you posted AFR, and I believe ZackMurphy is talking about "The big picture" and only used those two threads as an example.

Well spoken, sir.

Right on the money.

GameDayDog · 10-31-2005, 03:32 AM

I see what Zack's sayin'... & I agree... but Radical's example doesn't really fall into thys category ... It myght be different if he just posted a general link to exrx's home page and said - look here for cable exercyses... Breaking it down & providing links to each exercyse was extremely useful to myself & others... I also usually give people links to exrx when creating routines, just so there's no confusion about the exercyse I'm talking about..

I was worried about thys place become a link haven... but sometymes you need to source other people stuff in order to debate it properly... I've had to do that myself.. Post an article about doing cardio whyle bulking and then ask what other people thynk about the information provided... Then, others can feel free to share their experiences ... At least we do give the appropriate sources a lotta credit.. and as long as the info isn't from BB.com ... <insert BB.Com bashing statement here> ... I really don't care too much...

Peace..~G

**builtbeast** · 10-31-2005, 05:03 AM

I don't mind posting information/links from other sites as long as the original author is clearly given credit for the work. I agree it is preferable to have all our own information and articles but that isn't always going to be the case until more are written.

As for the sticky, I thought it was an excellent thread since A.Radical went through by hand and selected just the cable exercises and nicely organized them. As GDD pointed out it would be different if he just said "here's a link to a general how to exercise site, you can pick out some cable exercises to do".

10-30-2005, 11:53 PM	#1
ZackMurphy IronMass Donator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 559 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 9	Small complaint: pulling text/info from other sites Was reading the "How To Increase Compound Exercises" thread, on which I had posted, and this occurred to me. On that thread, Peaked_18 was looking for feedback on something, but it turned into a platform for him to post something Dave Tate wrote about increasing the basic PL lifts. It's great info, but just copy/pasting it on here seemed like a waste of talent. I say this not as an insult to Peaked_18 - quite the contrary. I know he has plenty to add to this site, and we don't need him to paste Dave Tate stuff - we can all read Dave Tate stuff any time we want. I want PEAKED to write what HE thinks about all this stuff. But this isn't a complaint about PEAKED_18 (not by a long shot) - more a general observation. Also was reading a thread started by A.Free Radical in which he was looking for help on something. AFR went on (in that thread) to post up a bunch of links to www.exrx.net, a great site, but all he posted was a bunch of links with his own headings. And this is great - it's very nice, but we immediately started talking "sticky", and it seemed to me to be a waste of a sticky if we did that. I mean, this site is full of extremely knowledgable people with plenty to say and share, and all we're doing is copying stuff OTHER people created already (and that many of us have seen many times already). And do we really want to be a site that's just a collection of other people's work? Do we really want to have a bunch of stickies and threads that are just links to OTHER sites? I think we're better/smarter than that. I swear - I'm not whining about those threads - they're fine, and if they help people, then I'm happy. But I would hate to have all this eTalent on this site just posting up other people's work. Links to old info on other web sites. Frankly, I'd much rather read what Peaked_18 has to say about it. Ditto on A.FreeRadical. Anyway, just food for thought.

10-31-2005, 12:16 AM	#3
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10-31-2005, 12:17 AM	#4
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,041 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 160	btw, I do agree with zackmurphy. We should try to keep links to other sites and copy/pastes of other's articles to a minimum. Of course, sometimes it makes SENSE to post links or copy/pastes. __________________

10-31-2005, 12:27 AM	#5
johnsbod Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2,965 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 62	I agree. As much as possible we should try to discuss things amongst ourselves and only resort to posting articles when necessary. Personally, I find it annoying (on any site) to pose a question and have the answer simply be a weblink to another site or thread. Of course we aren't going to ban people from posting articles, but your points are well taken, and it goes without saying that if you post an article by someone else that they should be given proper credit for the article. __________________ Wenn Sie Deutsch sprechen können, posten Sie hier. Misc Perv #69

10-31-2005, 02:07 AM	#11
A.FreeRadical the Epicurean Bodybuilder Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 57	I started a thread wanting to know where there was a comprehensive list of cable exercises. With the help of others, I found what I was looking for but it was not just cable exerices (which is all that I wanted), it was all kinds of exercises. So, I created a fairly complete list of cable exercises and shared them on that thread. It took me several hours to put that together so it would work on this forum. If you guys don't want archival information, I won't post it anymore. It seems to me that this place should have lots of information about bodybuilding that is easily accessible and useful, not just what happens to be in our heads at one point in time. Maybe I will start a tread on silly banter. That is my pet peave. * __________________ "Is it going to be the red pill or the blue pill, Neo? The red pill will answer the question 'What is the Matrix?' Choose carefully. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more." Ron Paul for President, 2008 A.FreeRadical ...the Epicurean bodybuilder Height: 5'9", Age: 62, My last high on 2/1/2006 was 196 lbs. My last low on 8/08/2006 was 167.5 lbs. Cutting until I am lean Starting weight: 190 lbs. bodyfat: 19.7% November 27th: 183 lbs. bodyfat: 18.3% bodyfat Goal Weight: 176 lbs with no more than 10% bodyfat My recipe collection

10-30-2005, 11:58 PM	#2
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,297 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	LOL You wanna go!?! Obviously the stuff quoted is quoted for a reason, it was written by Dave. The text above the quote was my information, the information below was how to perform the correct form of the exercise and what have you. I'll write if you guy's read...

10-31-2005, 02:23 AM	#13
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,041 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 160	THat's it, everyone's banned starts frantically mashing ban button Archival information is fine. I believe the point ZackMurphy was trying to make was that he'd much rather see freshly written material by our members when it is an option. There's nothing wrong with what you posted AFR, and I believe ZackMurphy is talking about "The big picture" and only used those two threads as an example. __________________

10-31-2005, 03:32 AM	#16
GameDayDog The Dawg Is Back!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Doin Compound Movements 4 Scooby Snacks! Posts: 1,975 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 32	I see what Zack's sayin'... & I agree... but Radical's example doesn't really fall into thys category ... It myght be different if he just posted a general link to exrx's home page and said - look here for cable exercyses... Breaking it down & providing links to each exercyse was extremely useful to myself & others... I also usually give people links to exrx when creating routines, just so there's no confusion about the exercyse I'm talking about.. I was worried about thys place become a link haven... but sometymes you need to source other people stuff in order to debate it properly... I've had to do that myself.. Post an article about doing cardio whyle bulking and then ask what other people thynk about the information provided... Then, others can feel free to share their experiences ... At least we do give the appropriate sources a lotta credit.. and as long as the info isn't from BB.com ... <insert BB.Com bashing statement here> ... I really don't care too much... Peace..~G __________________ I am Thee Alpha.. RaSP is Thee oMEGA.. Between the 2 of us - We have everythyng covered... I want to be bigger than all the humans!! "I'm sure I should be doing cardio too....but I don't run from anything...so why practice?" - 1stInDoor Goal - 200#'s 5/27/07 - 4/27/07 - 175# 3/27/07 - 167#

10-31-2005, 05:03 AM	#17
builtbeast Großer Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: In a very red state Posts: 1,828 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 98	I don't mind posting information/links from other sites as long as the original author is clearly given credit for the work. I agree it is preferable to have all our own information and articles but that isn't always going to be the case until more are written. As for the sticky, I thought it was an excellent thread since A.Radical went through by hand and selected just the cable exercises and nicely organized them. As GDD pointed out it would be different if he just said "here's a link to a general how to exercise site, you can pick out some cable exercises to do".