MOP MIP April 2007

Master Of Puppets · 04-04-2007, 11:43 PM

Weighed myself just before this, and I was 188.5lbs. I am trying to maintain my weight, so we'll se how this goes.

MOP

JJ_Sungirl · 04-05-2007, 12:59 AM

Welcome to the IMPC 2007.

Good luck to you!

**romanaz** · 04-05-2007, 01:21 AM

whoa, hurricane face.

you got a good basis, I can see you doing pretty good in the MIP here.

Master Of Puppets · 04-05-2007, 01:45 AM

thanks dnyc

stfu romanaz it's a birth defect gosh.

thanks romanaz

MOP

justtryn · 04-05-2007, 02:27 AM

Good luck MOP!

**madman911** · 04-05-2007, 03:15 AM

Best of luck to you MOP!!! A word of advice though: Don't concern yourself with maintaining your bodyweight, go ahead and do a hardcore cut, then bulk. Just bite the bullet and get small, then add size while maintaining a low BF. Think of it as setting the stage for the long-term. If you're hellbent on keeping your weight up, you will probably just spin your wheels trying to drop body fat and you won't build mass either... recomping is very inefficient, if even possible at all.

justtryn · 04-05-2007, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by madman911

Best of luck to you MOP!!! A word of advice though: Don't concern yourself with maintaining your bodyweight, go ahead and do a hardcore cut, then bulk. Just bite the bullet and get small, then add size while maintaining a low BF. Think of it as setting the stage for the long-term. If you're hellbent on keeping your weight up, you will probably just spin your wheels trying to drop body fat and you won't build mass either... recomping is very inefficient, if even possible at all.

Don't mean any disrespect... but I have to disagree, although what you are saying about a recomp may be difficult, at best, in the short term if there's a lot to do. But, over the last two years, I've done a recomp, starting at over 35% BF, now down to where I'm at. The lowest weight I was at was 216. Now I'm staying right around 220-225, and between January and March dropped 3 BF percentage points, maintaining that same weight range, and adding a good deal of mass. Recomp is certainly not a myth... doing a hard core cut and sacrificing too much muscle mass is not worth it, to me, anyway. For what it's worth (I realize there are as many theories on how to do this, but this has worked for me) Keep your protein intake up - 1 to 1.5 grams per lb of body weight, drop the carbs below 100 grams a day (the vast majority taken during morning meals and lunch) and get the rest of your calories via good fats. Have 1 carb reload day a week, and drop the fat calories way down.

Master Of Puppets · 04-05-2007, 03:39 AM

I believe that if I can keep my diet clean, I can drop bodyfat easily. I don't really care that much if my bodyweight drops though, as long as I get leaner and stronger. I just wanna see how much will power I have on my diet, as that is my downfall.

MOP

justtryn · 04-05-2007, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Master Of Puppets

I believe that if I can keep my diet clean, I can drop bodyfat easily. I don't really care that much if my bodyweight drops though, as long as I get leaner and stronger. I just wanna see how much will power I have on my diet, as that is my downfall.

MOP

I hear ya brother!

**skelooth** · 04-05-2007, 03:48 AM

I have to agree with this methodology. After spinning my wheels for so long you start to really see just 'why' they say you can either cut or bulk and not in between. The results are superior.

But on the other hand, I think you'd benefit more by a lot of heavy lifting with hiit. You don't really want to get any smaller. I think you'd do better by filling out a little bit more before cutting, but just my opinion.

DarkFalcon · 04-05-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by skelooth

I have to agree with this methodology. After spinning my wheels for so long you start to really see just 'why' they say you can either cut or bulk and not in between. The results are superior.

But on the other hand, I think you'd benefit more by a lot of heavy lifting with hiit. You don't really want to get any smaller. I think you'd do better by filling out a little bit more before cutting, but just my opinion.

I agree with Skellytor the Barbarian. Great to see ya in this bro, wishing you the best of luck this year!

hibiscus09 · 04-05-2007, 11:51 AM

What not both -- but separately?

You have from April to November. Bulk and then start cutting 12 to 16 weeks out.

That's what I did for my contests and it worked like a charm. I definitely ended up with more lean mass than when I began -- about 8 lbs of it.

Anyhoo -- best wishes to you in the IMPC MOP!!

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stfu romanaz it's a birth defect gosh.

:lol3:

**romanaz** · 04-05-2007, 01:44 PM

I understand where Madman is coming with the 'either bulk or cut' mindset, but leaning out while maintaing weight/muscle mass isn't as HARD as he makes it. Both of us are younger then Madman, so for us to do it, it probably is easier for us to do. I think you should go for both, maintain while trying to lower bf% and then all out cut.

That being said, I'm probably going to attempt to do what madman did last year, cut for all of IMPC

**madman911** · 04-05-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by romanaz

I understand where Madman is coming with the 'either bulk or cut' mindset, but leaning out while maintaing weight/muscle mass isn't as HARD as he makes it. Both of us are younger then Madman, so for us to do it, it probably is easier for us to do. I think you should go for both, maintain while trying to lower bf% and then all out cut.

That being said, I'm probably going to attempt to do what madman did last year, cut for all of IMPC

If you bulk for three months and then cut for three, you will achieve a much better result then if you attempt to recomp for six months... that is part of the madman gospel. Sure your body composition can be improved over time without cycling your training, but how much time are you willing to take to get to your goals?

It also depends on your goals I guess... for me, I want to get down below 5% body fat and I would consider it a fools errand to try and recomp my way down to that level. Recomping from 25% BF to 20%... sure, it can be done; recomping from 12% to 6%... not gonna happen for 99.9% of the population.

spaceclown · 04-05-2007, 05:17 PM

MOP I am glad your in this. I personally say bulk for a bit. You are pretty lean as it is.

stonecoldtruth · 04-05-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by madman911

If you bulk for three months and then cut for three, you will achieve a much better result then if you attempt to recomp for six months... that is part of the madman gospel. Sure your body composition can be improved over time without cycling your training, but how much time are you willing to take to get to your goals?

I completely agree with Madman on this one. I'm of the mindset that recomping is a subpar way to train for something like this. Bulk for three, cut for four.. ripped city there you be!

DawnMarie · 04-07-2007, 05:31 AM

Good luck MOP!

04-05-2007, 01:45 AM	#4
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04-05-2007, 02:27 AM	#5
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04-05-2007, 03:15 AM	#6
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,552 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 62	Best of luck to you MOP!!! A word of advice though: Don't concern yourself with maintaining your bodyweight, go ahead and do a hardcore cut, then bulk. Just bite the bullet and get small, then add size while maintaining a low BF. Think of it as setting the stage for the long-term. If you're hellbent on keeping your weight up, you will probably just spin your wheels trying to drop body fat and you won't build mass either... recomping is very inefficient, if even possible at all. __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

04-05-2007, 03:39 AM	#8
Master Of Puppets Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,043 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 47	I believe that if I can keep my diet clean, I can drop bodyfat easily. I don't really care that much if my bodyweight drops though, as long as I get leaner and stronger. I just wanna see how much will power I have on my diet, as that is my downfall. MOP __________________ Trautman: How will you live, John? Rambo: Day by day. -Rambo: First Blood Part II

04-05-2007, 03:48 AM	#10
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,205 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	I have to agree with this methodology. After spinning my wheels for so long you start to really see just 'why' they say you can either cut or bulk and not in between. The results are superior. But on the other hand, I think you'd benefit more by a lot of heavy lifting with hiit. You don't really want to get any smaller. I think you'd do better by filling out a little bit more before cutting, but just my opinion. __________________ R I P

04-05-2007, 12:59 AM	#2
JJ_Sungirl Pink Members Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 1,421 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 27	Welcome to the IMPC 2007. Good luck to you!

04-05-2007, 05:17 PM	#15
spaceclown IMPC Contestant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the gym Posts: 1,728 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 39	MOP I am glad your in this. I personally say bulk for a bit. You are pretty lean as it is. __________________ Spaceclown

04-07-2007, 05:31 AM	#17
DawnMarie IMPC Contestant Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 880 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 34	Good luck MOP! __________________ Nov 2008 - ??? - IMPC '08 is on! Nov 2007 - 158.4 lb - Saw Abs! Nov 2004 - 282.5 lbs My Transformation: Transformation Story My Journal: DawnMarie's Bounce Back Journal @ OSB